Author Topic: Procedure for dealing with abusive behaviour  (Read 3314 times)

johnobrow

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Procedure for dealing with abusive behaviour
« on: March 17, 2013, 05:17:58 pm »
I would like to propose a procedure whereby users who are abusive to other users in regards to the latter's gender, race, sexuality, and/or disability, in any sphere, be that on this forum, in-game, on irc or elsewhere, are permanently banned from this forum and the irc. If such a procedure already exists, then can I ask that it is used more effectively since - and I think others will agree - there are clear and obvious failings. Obviously people who use abusive language on this forum are already subject to infractions, but I think this proposal may be slightly different since it would apply to abuse committed outside the forum.
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Iain Keers

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Re: Procedure for dealing with abusive behaviour
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2013, 05:22:42 pm »
I don't think it's realistic to punish people for anything they do outside here.

If you have a specific issue please do share :3
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Re: Procedure for dealing with abusive behaviour
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2013, 05:24:10 pm »
Johno calling for the law to be laid down? What's up with that?

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Re: Procedure for dealing with abusive behaviour
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2013, 05:32:17 pm »
We can't really punish people for what they do off the forums, even if it does make them a massive dick... As much as we'd love to be able to just ban people left right and centre who are annoying and unconstructive, it wouldn't really be terribly fair of us at all, and would probably have a negative effect in the long run.

If someone is abusive to you in game, report it to the game admins, if they follow you to IRC get them on your ignore list and tell your channel ops/admins, I've stood by the ban of someone from #euk before now because of the way they were treating someone in a private query, simply because it's bout the behaviour any of us wasn't really.

Finally, if they follow you here, don't bother rising to it, report the posts and include a note on there that they've been doing it continuously. Repeat offenders can easily be given more than the standard infraction points and if they rack up too many then they're gone
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Re: Procedure for dealing with abusive behaviour
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2013, 05:49:08 pm »
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We can't really punish people for what they do off the forums, even if it does make them a massive dick...

Can you explain the logic behind this? If somebody can demonstrate that a user has been abusive towards them anywhere, why should we tolerate their presence here? I don't really see what difference it makes where the abuse happens. I don't have abuse that has been directed towards me to report.
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Re: Procedure for dealing with abusive behaviour
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2013, 05:56:01 pm »
I actually get your point, I'm just wondering how long it would take before certain members of our community are permabanned..
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Re: Procedure for dealing with abusive behaviour
« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2013, 05:59:54 pm »
Basically this is summed up as people behaving like Jobsworths restricted by arbitarily defined rules rather than flexible People who have an actual vision for a eUK Community.

Things like this have been brought up before and the answer is always the same - it's non negotiable. You and me are not in the club allowed to have a say in deciding these things.

I think everyone getting together and coming up with some sort of code of conduct would do a lot of good, but these debates tend to be one sided "conform to this" as we saw with those community meetings we had.

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Re: Procedure for dealing with abusive behaviour
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2013, 06:03:33 pm »
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Basically this is summed up as people behaving like Jobsworths restricted by arbitarily defined rules rather than flexible People who have an actual vision for a eUK Community.

Things like this have been brought up before and the answer is always the same - it's non negotiable. You and me are not in the club allowed to have a say in deciding these things.

I think everyone getting together and coming up with some sort of code of conduct would do a lot of good, but these debates tend to be one sided "conform to this" as we saw with those community meetings we had.
Hi tin foil hat man. I'd just like to point out I'm trying to relate to and consider Johnobrow's suggestion, now would you kindly take your crap somewhere else? You've only posted it here about 500 times. Thank you!

With regards to Johno's suggestion. I think if we're getting to the point where it's serious harassment then we definitely should consider it. However we can't infract people here for every insult they make on [insert platform here], that'd definitely get out of hand.
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Re: Procedure for dealing with abusive behaviour
« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2013, 06:05:52 pm »
Just saying if it's talked about honestly in the open and agreed by everyone, it'll do a lot of good.

I'm guessing if you do implement what johnobrow says, a bunch of us will just find ourselves banned from everything again one day without announcement?

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Re: Procedure for dealing with abusive behaviour
« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2013, 06:06:27 pm »
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Just saying if it's talked about honestly in the open and agreed by everyone, it'll do a lot of good.

I'm guessing if you do implement what johnobrow says, a bunch of us will just find ourselves banned from everything again one day without announcement?
I don't know. Anything you wish to confess before we consider implementing it?
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Re: Procedure for dealing with abusive behaviour
« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2013, 06:08:32 pm »
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With regards to Johno's suggestion. I think if we're getting to the point where it's serious harassment then we definitely should consider it. However we can't infract people here for every insult they make on [insert platform here], that'd definitely get out of hand.

I pretty much agree. I didn't mean for this to be taken as "Such and such called me a douche - ban them!", more directed towards dealing with serious abuse that can be seen to be aggravated by race, gender, sexuality or disability. I don't think that said abuse has to have been conducted over a period of time, I think a single instance of abuse of this nature can be enough to be considered harassment, though that is open to interpretation.
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Re: Procedure for dealing with abusive behaviour
« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2013, 06:15:09 pm »
I could understand this rule being applied if someone was being victimised in-game by a member of the community which would then escalate on to here. I would ideally prefer that we more or less have more than one example or two examples of harrassment before doing something.

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Re: Procedure for dealing with abusive behaviour
« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2013, 06:17:32 pm »
Someone being racist to you elsewhere has to be dealt with whoever is responsible for that elsewhere, whether that's the in game admins, ircops (rizon WILL ban people from their server for it) or the police.
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Re: Procedure for dealing with abusive behaviour
« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2013, 06:28:55 pm »
We've just been handed back control of #euk so any misdemeanors there will likely be considered on here as well. It comes after months of government moderation failed and the stealing of nicks, accusations of paedophilia/perversion and racism were permitted.

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Re: Procedure for dealing with abusive behaviour
« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2013, 06:40:03 pm »
That is hilarious as it was forum moderators doing some of that!

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Re: Procedure for dealing with abusive behaviour
« Reply #15 on: March 17, 2013, 06:42:04 pm »
Lets just forget about the months of you telling people I was a paedophile before I bothered to be better at that game than you (as I am better at everything than you)
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Re: Procedure for dealing with abusive behaviour
« Reply #16 on: March 17, 2013, 06:43:42 pm »
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That is hilarious as it was forum moderators doing some of that!

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Then ask why the government never dealt with it?

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Re: Procedure for dealing with abusive behaviour
« Reply #17 on: March 17, 2013, 06:44:48 pm »
Here is a different day:

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Just because I on occasion respond to the flaming (successful troll by yourself) doesn't mean that you are in the right or justified.

I look forward to Invalidation dealing with complaints against himself more effectivly than the government did.

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Re: Procedure for dealing with abusive behaviour
« Reply #18 on: March 17, 2013, 06:46:33 pm »
Its not like any of the channel administrators or moderators or yourself asked me kindly not to. Its more of a failing of the new rule of law than anything else, I just found the perfect time to test it.
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Re: Procedure for dealing with abusive behaviour
« Reply #19 on: March 17, 2013, 06:49:42 pm »
That isn't true. I asked on at least one occassion for people to stop it because you were targeting my IRL profession. IRL should be out of bounds imo and it generally always has been - both forum and erepublik rules.

I'm not disputing that moderation may not have been up to scratch, for my part when I had that power I was scared to use it because I could see the complaints of bias coming. I did kick for any swearword above flower though.

I'm pointing out that putting the people who did many of the innapropriate comments in charge of policing themselves is a bit wrong.