Author Topic: Procedure for dealing with abusive behaviour  (Read 2693 times)

Hungry_Eyes

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Re: Procedure for dealing with abusive behaviour
« Reply #40 on: March 17, 2013, 10:05:39 pm »
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Sometimes I feel like some parties are unwilling to take collective responsibility when one of their prominent members go rogue or do something ridiculously stupid. The in-game mechanics may not allow you to boot them out of the party, but you can certainly make it very difficult for them to be a part of it. All you have to do is ban them from official forum and IRC channels, message your members warning them about them, denounce them publicly in official articles and watch as their party influence landslides until their eventual ragequit. This tactic has been employed successfully many times by the older parties.

The person involved has been on IRC once and hasn't got forum access...at least myself or Klurr hasn't given it to them. They (in my defence) only posted a couple of times and nobody replied...nobody. it is one person and Goku received an apology and explanation. That person was from New Era and has sent me pictures of PM's from Don Dapper encouraging them to flame articles of legion. I have had long conversations explaining that IA doesn't do that...sadly all this has been one way from us and no action taken from the other side, well apart from Goku asking for peace then flaming our articles hours later.

I don't know - if it was up to me I'd still tell him to get lost. If you think you can "reform" him then let him stay, but if you think there's any chance shit like that happens again or worse, you might as well denounce him now - he'll never be a constructive member of your community. Besides, if I were you, I wouldn't want anyone who has been in recent regular contact with Dapper anywhere near my party! You want to demonstrate to the public that your party doesn't tolerate NE bullshite.


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Dr Hugh Jardon

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Re: Procedure for dealing with abusive behaviour
« Reply #41 on: March 17, 2013, 10:27:58 pm »
Quote from: "Hungry_Eyes"
I don't know - if it was up to me I'd still tell him to get lost. If you think you can "reform" him then let him stay, but if you think there's any chance shit like that happens again or worse, you might as well denounce him now - he'll never be a constructive member of your community. Besides, if I were you, I wouldn't want anyone who has been in recent regular contact with Dapper anywhere near my party! You want to demonstrate to the public that your party doesn't tolerate NE bullshite.

It's someone who has jumped in and out of New Era and the IA for a few months now, I have had promises that he will behave and play the game in the spirit it was intended so we'll see.

Nobody else at IA has ventured onto any New Era material or commented about them as we just want to be left alone so we can get on with flaming Talon.

As for the OP, well It would be difficult for moderators to ban offenses outside of the forums, yes I do wish the in game admins would take offences more seriously but as much faith as i have in Frerk and co it would be a dangerous move and impossible to enforce.

Wayne

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Re: Procedure for dealing with abusive behaviour
« Reply #42 on: March 18, 2013, 12:07:45 pm »
#eUK has one rule for some and another for certain others...  I had to get back up form another op just so that a banned member (who was matey with other ops) stayed banned.

You're all a bunch of idiots, you're all as bad as each other.  I'm sick to the back teeth of hearing the same old shit from all of you, it's becoming a chore to log on to anything related to this game lately...

Goku, don't even bother, the olive branch won't ever be accepted.  For the past year you have had shit flung at you.  Even when you fucked off to Yankland for awhile we still had to endure the obligatory 'Goku' comments from certain sections of the 'community', the same with Alfa...  Face it, no one here want's to be your friend or to include you in anything.  So concentrate your time and effort into those that do and flower what anybody else has to say about your methods/ideas.





Sir Digby Chicken-Caesar

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Re: Procedure for dealing with abusive behaviour
« Reply #43 on: March 18, 2013, 01:46:20 pm »
Dear all,

I'm really not sure how half of these posts are actually relevant or contribute something useful.

I disagree with using forum punishments for people if what they've done is outside the forum. IRC has its own moderation and control for punishing people for things as does the game, and I really don't see how it's right that the moderation guidelines - explicitly for the purpose of maintaining healthy discussion and forum use among members of the forum - should be changed so that people who may not have posted anything bad on the forums could end up being punished as though they had.

I'm well aware of the tides of drama and absolute nonsense that come from in-game etc., but I'd much rather it would just stay there and that we shouldn't use such a blunt approach.

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Malkaiser

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Re: Procedure for dealing with abusive behaviour
« Reply #44 on: March 18, 2013, 05:55:55 pm »
Hugh I've explained to you why the opposition - it isn't all flaming most is critique - to you is happening from me.

You made a virtually identical party to New Era which then proved it was a threat by taking a couple of our members - you wanted a party without dondapper so instead of ignoring him as you could have and reshaped New Era in your image with us (we all wanted this and gave you PP), you instead refused to speak to any of us and started attacking all of us. So I feel like I have to defend New Era and point out your exaggerations and misteps as damage control.

I came up with a radical solution which you rejected - fair enough. But you didn't tell me the results - that would have been when you proposed something or we figured out a solution together. You carried on buisness as usual so after a week or so, so did I. I'm the only one that actually went to some effort to fix it and I feel like you just ignored it.

As long as you occupy a political position between New Era and TUP there is going to be some conflict here. What form that takes depends on what articles are released - if you post dumb stuff like "We are the only democratic party" or "I'm not on my period!" then you'll get some dumb responces.


Making efforts to heal that isn't "you stop all your comment critiques and flames", it's actually getting together and coming to some sort of agreement.

Frerk

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Re: Procedure for dealing with abusive behaviour
« Reply #45 on: March 18, 2013, 05:58:58 pm »
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Hugh I've explained to you why the opposition - it isn't all flaming most is critique - to you is happening from me.

You made a virtually identical party to New Era which then proved it was a threat by taking a couple of our members - you wanted a party without dondapper so instead of ignoring him as you could have and reshaped New Era in your image with us (we all wanted this and gave you PP), you instead refused to speak to any of us and started attacking all of us. So I feel like I have to defend New Era and point out your exaggerations and misteps as damage control.

I came up with a radical solution which you rejected - fair enough. But you didn't tell me the results - that would have been when you proposed something or we figured out a solution together. You carried on buisness as usual so after a week or so, so did I. I'm the only one that actually went to some effort to fix it and I feel like you just ignored it.

As long as you occupy a political position between New Era and TUP there is going to be some conflict here. What form that takes depends on what articles are released - if you post dumb stuff like "We are the only democratic party" or "I'm not on my period!" then you'll get some dumb responces.


Making efforts to heal that isn't "you stop all your comment critiques and flames", it's actually getting together and coming to some sort of agreement.
Can you go back on topic now? Thanks :3
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johnobrow

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Re: Procedure for dealing with abusive behaviour
« Reply #46 on: March 19, 2013, 01:15:28 pm »
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I'm sure johno had the best intentions when he made the proposal, but let's be honest, it's just him trying to roleplay the commie looking out for everyone. It will be abused, and it will get annoying for a lot of people. If people are really upset by a few words someone says to them when they're playing erepublik, we all know the simple solution, don't we?

I don't like sharing a forum with misogynists and homophobes and think they should be banned regardless of where they express their misogyny or homophobia - I gave up "roleplaying" a long time ago. And to reiterate, this proposal isn't about people being insulted - I don't see insults as being an infractible offense - this is about serious and oppressive abuse i.e. abuse that is racist, sexist, homophobic, or ablist.
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Diakun

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Re: Procedure for dealing with abusive behaviour
« Reply #47 on: March 19, 2013, 01:26:41 pm »
>wanting to ban someone from everywhere because you don't like what they say
p much as stupid as bigots
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he can easily make people ashamed of how small they are, cause his is big
need to know anything else?

Iain Keers

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Re: Procedure for dealing with abusive behaviour
« Reply #48 on: March 19, 2013, 01:48:00 pm »
if you won't go anywhere where someone who has in the past committed a crime is, then I suggest you lock yourself in a dark room forever. I'm sure you've got a few under your belt yourself johno. I don't really want to share a forum with a moron who thinks posting about killing police is ok, but i put up with it.
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Frerk

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Re: Procedure for dealing with abusive behaviour
« Reply #49 on: March 19, 2013, 01:50:51 pm »
Okay, okay, calm down, that's enough. Thanks for your suggestion johnobrow, we've posted our opinions here and will continue to discuss this internally lest this topic derails even further.
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