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Alice

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Rules
« on: May 24, 2013, 08:05:39 pm »
Write them clearly in a dry tone.
They are terms of use, not a conversation.
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Everything you say is boring and incomprehensible, but that alone doesn't make it true.
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He had spent his whole life despised and hated for the mere triviality of wearing dresses and make-up despite possessing a (rather magnificent) penis, and this persecution had fostered within him both a desperate yearning to be loved and appreciated, and an iconoclastic desire to subvert and destroy the odious traditions on which society was built.

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Re: Rules
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2013, 10:08:50 pm »
Dear Mr. Alice,

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One forum account per person - if you need something changing with your account ask an admin.

Posting pornography and breaching copyright law is strictly prohibited. Breaking the law by publishing peoples personal information is also not allowed and may constitute harassment.*

Do not post offensively or give abuse to other members, especially racism.
 - This applies to members of the forum no longer using them or people who have died.
 - This also applies through Private Messaging.

Do not publish information from private forums.

Do not mess with usergroup settings.

Keep posts on-topic and relevant - this is particularly important for the PD section. If your post isn't relevant or on-topic it may be moderated.

If you have any problems just ask a member of the administration or moderation.


* - Breaking this rule will put the forum at risk of losing advert revenue and is therefore very serious.

Will this do? I just went through and simplified it. The purpose of having it explained and informal in the first place as a set was to avoid complications and miscommunication, but if you want to use this then feel free.

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Re: Rules
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2013, 10:12:35 pm »
you can spend all year writing rules. Doesn't matter it's those dishing them out that lack common sense in my opinion

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Re: Rules
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2013, 10:23:02 pm »
That's much better Digby, but it should be the only set of rules and they should be properly updated. Informal rules do no prevent communication errors and just make things seem vague.
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Everything you say is boring and incomprehensible, but that alone doesn't make it true.
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He had spent his whole life despised and hated for the mere triviality of wearing dresses and make-up despite possessing a (rather magnificent) penis, and this persecution had fostered within him both a desperate yearning to be loved and appreciated, and an iconoclastic desire to subvert and destroy the odious traditions on which society was built.

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Re: Rules
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2013, 10:36:32 pm »
Dear Mr. Alice,

I believe they were written as they are to make it easier to understand them and so there was little room for interpretation with them. Sort of like trying to save time with the inevitable explanations of them.

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Re: Rules
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2013, 10:37:42 pm »
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Dear Mr. Alice,

I believe they were written as they are to make it easier to understand them and so there was little room for interpretation with them. Sort of like trying to save time with the inevitable explanations of them.

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Re: Rules
« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2013, 10:39:25 pm »
1) "Don't be a racist"
2) "We don't like people being rude and umm yeah, try and be not so racist because we might do something about that since its bad you know?"

Yeah one of those has room for interpretation and its the rambling informal one, which is how the new rules read.
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Everything you say is boring and incomprehensible, but that alone doesn't make it true.
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He had spent his whole life despised and hated for the mere triviality of wearing dresses and make-up despite possessing a (rather magnificent) penis, and this persecution had fostered within him both a desperate yearning to be loved and appreciated, and an iconoclastic desire to subvert and destroy the odious traditions on which society was built.

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Re: Rules
« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2013, 10:55:26 pm »
Don't blame me, I voted Chaz
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Re: Rules
« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2013, 11:38:04 pm »
any chance we can see some IRC rules as well, seeing as digby is adamant we have some.





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Re: Rules
« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2013, 12:00:39 am »
Dear Mr. Kerr,

I haven't been able to find one set of rules as would have been in the topic or something in the past, but the following are relevant:

viewtopic.php?f=42&t=84067

- though specifically about one incident and not particularly relevant, this is representative of the attitude that past ops etc. have had with regard to how the channel should be and how people should be expected to behave. Nothing specific or particularly helpful, but

Quote from: "Mr Woldy"
I think mods & co operate on a 'don't be a dick' policy, which is coo'

is something repeated by Dan Moir and something which will be echoed in the following threads --

viewtopic.php?f=9&t=66695#basic-conduct

- this is only really notable in that it says the chan ops have the final word, but more to this is the fact that if there is a problem, as with anything, you should take it up with the owner or person/people responsible etc.

viewtopic.php?p=339442#p339442

- though obviously not a set-in-stone and decent set of rules, is a general principle by which IRC has always been maintained - particularly with regard to how people are to ops, as highlighted above.


If someone more versed than myself can find a set of rules that were written down then it would be no doubt appreciated, but from being op in the past and experiencing IRC for years it has always been the case that there are a few general principles by which the op has the right to deal with (ie, telling someone to stop -> kicking -> banning, in that order if people don't pay attention and "be dicks");

mass pinging people in the channel
being a dick to an op in the channel (change for spam pinging an op if you'd like, since that's the relevant thing)
advertising random shit (usually straight ban)
being racist or posting horrible things
being Padraig Pearse (though this was relaxed)
basically anything that either is an attempt to piss of ops or make IRC unpleasant for others.

If you have a problem with this I will gladly discuss it with you, but I think perhaps this deserves its own thread away from here.

Also if any other op or past op would like to point anything out I'd be glad to hear it, this all from my experience (being on both sides of it) and therefore memory.

Sincerely,
Digby
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Re: Rules
« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2013, 12:04:16 am »
so more of a guideline that is interpreted by the op rather than rules...

and the racist one... lol good one.





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Re: Rules
« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2013, 12:06:16 am »
Dear Mr. Kerr,

I believe so, that's how IRC has generally worked for years. Like I said, I was under the impression there's a proper set written somewhere but I don't know where, and the key thing as has been put in the past is to not be dicks to ops and that they have the right to deal with that.

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Digby
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Re: Rules
« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2013, 12:10:09 am »
i asked a few times in the past about IRC rules and always been told that there isnt any but follow the Forums rules as a rule of thumb.

Im guessing with the forums rules now being different in many places and relaxed so much there no longer important then im guessing IRC is the same ??
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Re: Rules
« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2013, 12:12:42 am »
The IRC rule is ...

CP gets 9999 op for that month, it is HIS/HER decision to choose op's. That WAS the agreement between me and Kumnaa.

Now Im not sure if Frerk and his crew have gotten higher OP behind closed doors.
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Re: Rules
« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2013, 12:14:38 am »
Successive governments proving incompetent at even enforcing the simplest of rules made kumnaa step in with Blue and Evil's (I think) agreement.

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Re: Rules
« Reply #15 on: May 25, 2013, 12:16:37 am »
Dear Mr. G,

yeah that's something that's always been the case. I don't think that IRC can be any more relaxed though, considering the rules are essentially to not post anything horrible (racism etc.) or not do things just to be a dick to someone (/ghosting if their pass is revealed, harassment, mass pinging or being a dick to ops).

IRC's always been, give or take a few periods, a part of the eUK community that's been free moreso than anything else.

Sincerely,
Digby

P.S. jamesw, that's not a rule, and the status of Frerk etc. has been more than op for longer than this CP term. It's a matter of just changing it whenever a change is necessary(?) rather than every single month removing and reinstating or whatever.
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Re: Rules
« Reply #16 on: May 25, 2013, 12:19:19 am »
so you want us to accept the enforcement of you useless admins having op in #eUK as well?

....... This isn't me vs admins, this is turning into everyone in UK vs admins... So where is the problem you think?
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Re: Rules
« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2013, 12:22:33 am »
Dear Mr. Ant,

1) I'm not an admin, and
2) I don't really know what you're talking about.

I'm saying that the rules on IRC haven't changed for a very long time, regardless of who has ops.

If you want to discuss the situation of ops on IRC, please make a thread about it.

If you want to discuss you thinking that there's "everyone vs. admins" or some sort of problem, please make a thread about it.

Sincerely,
Digby

P.S. As I said, who has ops is a nonissue anyway since still the CP has the power of decision, so things are done to the ops if and when they're deemed necessary and not, like CP terms, every month.
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Re: Rules
« Reply #18 on: May 25, 2013, 12:24:54 am »
make 10 different threads, this is all related via the .... admins so no thanks "a thread is allowed to develop" Christ.

I suggest you stay out of this thread now.
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Re: Rules
« Reply #19 on: May 25, 2013, 12:28:15 am »
Dear Mr. Ant,

I don't know what "...." is supposed to represent but it's not relevant, this is a discussion about the rules -- originally of the forum.

If you have a problem with the admins then get in touch with them or Kumnaa. If you have a problem with admin policy, then open up a thread about it or also get in touch with them or Kumnaa. This is a thread about rules and not the matter of the CP deciding who has op on IRC and admins and moderators having op.

Sincerely,
Digby
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