Author Topic: Finish the job  (Read 1547 times)

Sven_Goran

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Finish the job
« on: January 15, 2013, 09:02:59 pm »
Dear Forum Admins,

A few weeks ago Kumnaa stepped in to the debate on these forums and removed Talon and Dan Moir as forum mods.

This was done, it is understood, to try and restore some objectivity to forum modding and restore confidence to the people who don't use these forums because they are known to be subjectively modded.

imo, Talon and Dan were far from the worst offenders, but as leaders of TUP their politik made them hard to be seen as unbias.

At the time, it was stated that all the other gmods would be also be replaced with alternatives who would be seen as objective and unbias.

This has not happened.  Why?

The list of gmods reads like a list of the establishment elite:

Frerk   TUP/UKRP
Minecrafting Instead    TUP/UKRP
Talon Karrde (back by public demand?)   TUP/UKRP
Thomas765    TUP/UKRP
Invalidation   TUP/UKRP
Lord Lewis Cromwell    ESO in name only.  His politik is obvious and may as well be a member of the Council of Unity.

How can players have confidence in using these forums to discuss legislation or in-game issues when such clear and apparent bias remains?

Please finish the job.

By providing us with objective and unbias mods, confidence could be restored.  If confidence is restored then the public will want to use the forums again.  For example, offering modding positions to worthy people in other parties could be used in exchange for the forums being advertised in that party.

Kind Regards,
Sven

PS below is a recent example of bias modding in Public Discussion:

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Re: MOLA actual Role
by jamesw » Sat Jan 12, 2013 5:15:59 pm

Insulting other forum members is against the rules, and this post served no purpose but that.

-Invalidation

(what jamesw said?  ...... haha NWG has officially joined the "fu*king moaning" group.

NWG please get off your lazy arse and do something yourself then yes????)

Re: MOLA actual Role
by Darkmantle » Sun Jan 13, 2013 6:10:39 pm

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The last ones have been, as are the CP Announcements. Log into eRepublik regularily please.

I do. Don't start being a dick, again. I log in often, probably more than you do since that tabs usually always open on my personal browser. But that is no guarantee they will all be there in the future, is it? Top 5 changes often.
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Re: Finish the job
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2013, 09:07:09 pm »
make sven mod, problem stop
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Re: Finish the job
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2013, 09:12:07 pm »
What you now want them removed? WTF?? o.O

Lets just dont use forums then!!!

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Re: Finish the job
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2013, 09:12:30 pm »
Gmods changed was the deal with Kumnaa, once replacements where found.

Problem I see is Frerk has no interest in finding new gmods, hence we are still in this position. Back to the drawing board
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Re: Finish the job
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2013, 09:12:49 pm »
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make sven mod, problem stop
Good summary of this example of a bias OP.
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Re: Finish the job
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2013, 09:14:43 pm »
Quote from: "jamesw"
Gmods changed was the deal with Kumnaa, once replacements where found.

Problem I see is Frerk has no interest in finding new gmods, hence we are still in this position. Back to the drawing board
We dont really need more.. This is too much also.. If all these mods do their job well there is no need for more gmods/gmod removals

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Re: Finish the job
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2013, 09:22:49 pm »
Everything is fair for a TUP Party forum. Nothing to see here move on...

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Re: Finish the job
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2013, 09:25:17 pm »
xaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxa lol... i cant stop laughing!!!

Who the hell says anything about TUP??? I'm not talking as a TUPer but as a part of this community in whatever party,MU or whatever we are different in! XD

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Re: Finish the job
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2013, 09:27:57 pm »
Make me mod, I am neither TUP or UKRP.


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Re: Finish the job
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2013, 09:32:23 pm »
It's not 'bias' just because it was done on a UKPP member, in my opinion that was a fair and objective correction.

I've seen plenty of moderation on people from all parties
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Sven_Goran

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Re: Finish the job
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2013, 09:34:36 pm »
Quote from: "Nebojsa"
What you now want them removed? WTF?? o.O

Lets just dont use forums then!!!

I hardly do unless it's absolutely necessary and many others simply don't .

This is likely to continue until the forums are seen as an objectively modded place were everyone can discuss things fairly, and without fear of bias modding.
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Re: Finish the job
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2013, 09:42:25 pm »
lets be honest the reason for this was so that the rift could be stopped and you would start using the forums.

Its seems that Kumma started action but there was nothing from the other side. one side of the group still hasnt and even now still state they wont promote the forums. Even the CP has stopped weeks ago using this area for offical reasons.

So if your not going to use this area, Why are you still demanding what you want still happens without giving anything back??

Surely its about give and take on both sides
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Frerk

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Re: Finish the job
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2013, 09:48:49 pm »
Quote from: "Sven_Goran"
Dear Forum Admins,

A few weeks ago Kumnaa stepped in to the debate on these forums and removed Talon and Dan Moir as forum mods.
Admins, not mods, quite a difference.

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This was done, it is understood, to try and restore some objectivity to forum modding and restore confidence to the people who don't use these forums because they are known to be subjectively modded.

imo, Talon and Dan were far from the worst offenders, but as leaders of TUP their politik made them hard to be seen as unbias.
That's an interesting statement.

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At the time, it was stated that all the other gmods would be also be replaced with alternatives who would be seen as objective and unbias.

This has not happened.  Why?
jamesw stated it in an article and I immediately denounced it. It's not true and it's not going to happen. We considered changing selection procedure. That doesn't mean replacing the current ones.

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The list of gmods reads like a list of the establishment elite:

Frerk   TUP/UKRP
Minecrafting Instead    TUP/UKRP
Talon Karrde (back by public demand?)   TUP/UKRP
Thomas765    TUP/UKRP
Invalidation   TUP/UKRP
Lord Lewis Cromwell    ESO in name only.  His politik is obvious and may as well be a member of the Council of Unity.

How can players have confidence in using these forums to discuss legislation or in-game issues when such clear and apparent bias remains?
First of all, I'm not a gmod. Second of all, I'm sure Appleby will have a word with you on calling him TUP. I'd rather you posted some real arguments against some moderators, like honest concerns, other than that in your eyes they(we?) are all TUP elite.
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Please finish the job.

By providing us with objective and unbias mods, confidence could be restored.  If confidence is restored then the public will want to use the forums again.  For example, offering modding positions to worthy people in other parties could be used in exchange for the forums being advertised in that party.

I have a suggestion. How about people start using the forums first and then attempt to become a global mod? Becoming a global mod shouldn't be an incentive to use the forums, it is a position of responsibility for trustworthy members of the forum community. Then again, it would appear that we have a different interpretation of the definition of the word 'worthy'.

Thank you for posting your concerns, but I'm afraid that I'm not entirely convinced by your arguments, or the necessity of the changes you propose.
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Sven_Goran

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Finish the Job
« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2013, 11:20:00 pm »
Dear Forum Admins,

A few weeks ago Kumnaa stepped in to the debate on these forums and removed Talon and Dan Moir as forum mods.

This was done, it is understood, to try and restore some objectivity to forum modding and restore confidence to the people who don't use these forums because they are known to be subjectively modded.

imo, Talon and Dan were far from the worst offenders, but as leaders of TUP their politik made them hard to be seen as unbias.

At the time, it was stated that all the other gmods would be also be replaced with alternatives who would be seen as objective and unbias.

This has not happened. Why?

The list of admins/gmods reads like a list of the establishment elite:

Frerk TUP/UKRP
Minecrafting Instead TUP/UKRP
Talon Karrde (back by public demand?) TUP/UKRP
Thomas765 TUP/UKRP
Invalidation TUP/UKRP
Lord Lewis Cromwell ESO in name only. His politik is obvious and may as well be a member of the Council of Unity.

How can players have confidence in using these forums to discuss legislation or in-game issues when such clear and apparent bias remains?

Please finish the job.

By providing us with objective and unbias mods, confidence could be restored. If confidence is restored then the public will want to use the forums again. For example, offering modding positions to worthy people in other parties could be used in exchange for the forums being advertised in that party.

Kind Regards,
Sven

PS below is a recent example of bias modding in Public Discussion:

Quote
Re: MOLA actual Role
by jamesw » Sat Jan 12, 2013 5:15:59 pm

Insulting other forum members is against the rules, and this post served no purpose but that.

-Invalidation

(what jamesw said? ...... haha NWG has officially joined the "fu*king moaning" group.

NWG please get off your lazy arse and do something yourself then yes????)

Re: MOLA actual Role
by Darkmantle » Sun Jan 13, 2013 6:10:39 pm

Sage Goku wrote:
The last ones have been, as are the CP Announcements. Log into eRepublik regularily please.

I do. Don't start being a dick, again. I log in often, probably more than you do since that tabs usually always open on my personal browser. But that is no guarantee they will all be there in the future, is it? Top 5 changes often.

[edit - reposted from Forum Suggestions as my OP was locked by Frerk within an hour of posting]
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Re: Finish the Job
« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2013, 11:22:28 pm »
i think you find he answered your question and more than likely locked it to stop arguments
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Re: Finish the Job
« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2013, 11:23:40 pm »
You already got rid of Dan Moir, arguably one of the best Admins we've had for a long time. Stop trying to flower shit up just because some of you break the rules and then get warnings. Man up and accept they've been broken. I've been banned and warned by friends several times and I don't cause this much of a shit stir.


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Re: Finish the Job
« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2013, 11:24:57 pm »
Probably should be noted that Talon, Alice and Appleby have only been in one of the parties you've stated.

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Re: Finish the Job
« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2013, 11:25:06 pm »
This was already locked once, so it should be obvious not to repost
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Quote from: Professor Bob Boblo
He had spent his whole life despised and hated for the mere triviality of wearing dresses and make-up despite possessing a (rather magnificent) penis, and this persecution had fostered within him both a desperate yearning to be loved and appreciated, and an iconoclastic desire to subvert and destroy the odious traditions on which society was built.

Sven_Goran

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[Discussion] Finish the Job
« Reply #18 on: January 15, 2013, 11:41:33 pm »
Dear Forum Admins,

A few weeks ago Kumnaa stepped in to the debate on these forums and removed Talon and Dan Moir as forum mods.

This was done, it is understood, to try and restore some objectivity to forum modding and restore confidence to the people who don't use these forums because they are known to be subjectively modded.

imo, Talon and Dan were far from the worst offenders, but as leaders of TUP their politik made them hard to be seen as unbias.

At the time, it was stated that all the other gmods would be also be replaced with alternatives who would be seen as objective and unbias.

This has not happened. Why?

The list of admins/gmods reads like a list of the establishment elite:

Frerk TUP/UKRP
Minecrafting Instead TUP/UKRP
Talon Karrde (back by public demand?) TUP/UKRP
Thomas765 TUP/UKRP
Invalidation TUP/UKRP
Lord Lewis Cromwell ESO in name only. His politik is obvious and may as well be a member of the Council of Unity.

How can players have confidence in using these forums to discuss legislation or in-game issues when such clear and apparent bias remains?

Please finish the job.

By providing us with objective and unbias mods, confidence could be restored. If confidence is restored then the public will want to use the forums again. For example, offering modding positions to worthy people in other parties could be used in exchange for the forums being advertised in that party.

Kind Regards,
Sven

PS below is a recent example of bias modding in Public Discussion:

Quote
Re: MOLA actual Role
by jamesw » Sat Jan 12, 2013 5:15:59 pm

Insulting other forum members is against the rules, and this post served no purpose but that.

-Invalidation

(what jamesw said? ...... haha NWG has officially joined the "fu*king moaning" group.

NWG please get off your lazy arse and do something yourself then yes????)

Re: MOLA actual Role
by Darkmantle » Sun Jan 13, 2013 6:10:39 pm

Sage Goku wrote:
The last ones have been, as are the CP Announcements. Log into eRepublik regularily please.

I do. Don't start being a dick, again. I log in often, probably more than you do since that tabs usually always open on my personal browser. But that is no guarantee they will all be there in the future, is it? Top 5 changes often.

[edit - reposted from Forum Suggestions as my OP was locked by Frerk within an hour of posting]
[edit - reposted from General as my 2nd OP was locked by Invalidation within minutes of posting]
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Re: Finish the job
« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2013, 07:46:08 am »
Hi.

I kindly request you not to open new threads with the exact copy of one which was already locked.

Thanks.
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