: Procedure for dealing with abusive behaviour  ( 2620 )

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Re: Procedure for dealing with abusive behaviour
« #20 : March 17, 2013, 06:49:59 PM »
This is the kind of legislation that old fart politicians start to consider when they run out of good ideas. If you cant take abuse you are going to be rubbish at life, this is the internet damnit!
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Re: Procedure for dealing with abusive behaviour
« #21 : March 17, 2013, 06:52:03 PM »
Well it is true, and you didn't.
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Re: Procedure for dealing with abusive behaviour
« #22 : March 17, 2013, 06:53:42 PM »
: "Goku Jones"
That isn't true. I asked on at least one occassion for people to stop it because you were targeting my IRL profession. IRL should be out of bounds imo and it generally always has been - both forum and erepublik rules.

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Does that include the real life involvement that myself and Klurr once had that you posted publicly on the forums the other day?  :lol:


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Re: Procedure for dealing with abusive behaviour
« #23 : March 17, 2013, 07:06:03 PM »
Well yeah everyone is guilty of flinging shit and we need to get together and stop it.

At least you and Klurr added some kind of context to the way you were flaming me in game, I didn't just make up criminal allegations which could destroy your life.

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Re: Procedure for dealing with abusive behaviour
« #24 : March 17, 2013, 07:06:48 PM »
: "Goku Jones"
Well yeah everyone is guilty of flinging shit and we need to get together and stop it.

At least you and Klurr added some kind of context to the way you were flaming me in game, I didn't just make up criminal allegations which could destroy your life.
You did make them up about me though.
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Re: Procedure for dealing with abusive behaviour
« #25 : March 17, 2013, 07:11:48 PM »
tl;dr Goku is a knob, who says misogynist things. Alice doesn't like Goku and says nasty remarks. It's all good though, because Boblo Island makes up for it.

In regards to OP: supported.


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Re: Procedure for dealing with abusive behaviour
« #26 : March 17, 2013, 07:13:49 PM »
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tl;dr Goku is a knob, who says misogynist things. Alice doesn't like Goku and says nasty remarks. It's all good though, because Boblo Island makes up for it.

In regards to OP: supported.
Not just misogynist things, he's been telling people that I am a paedophile since at least November, that's a bit serious you know.
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Re: Procedure for dealing with abusive behaviour
« #27 : March 17, 2013, 07:15:18 PM »
I've just listed the people responsible for the various mediums... Look, being an admin and a mod isn't like, some sort of throne of power, we discuss pretty much every infraction and ban on the IRC channel simply because dishing out 'punishment' when we're unelected members of the community is a pretty shitty line to be walking along, look at what happened to Dan and the abuse he got. If you guys REALLY thought that you could trust us with the power to ban for off site stuff and it's what people think will provide a better experience then so be it, but we open ourselves up to a lot of abuse especially for the first couple of times we do it, trying to set a precedent

I'm willing to go on record and say that I'd rather have this in the form of community proposals and votes, but the ganging up we'd see is a massive issue.
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Re: Procedure for dealing with abusive behaviour
« #28 : March 17, 2013, 07:19:10 PM »
Well Invalidation I've pointed out that you had a dodgy avatar once after you tell me to kill myself.

As I said we need to get everyone together to disucss the hate and try to end it.

Re: Procedure for dealing with abusive behaviour
« #29 : March 17, 2013, 07:22:53 PM »
This is all well and good but I want access to this Bobo Island thingy

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Re: Procedure for dealing with abusive behaviour
« #30 : March 17, 2013, 07:24:42 PM »
: "Goku Jones"
Well Invalidation I've pointed out that you had a dodgy avatar once after you tell me to kill myself.

As I said we need to get everyone together to disucss the hate and try to end it.
(This was after you spent at least 3 months trying to convince people that I was a paedophile) You also conveniently fabricated details about said avatar to try and make it seem dodgy.

You destroy any sensible discussion because you do not think that you have to abide by rules of conducts or any rules at all, and just demand that you are constantly forgiven for your many many sins. So obviously such a discussion would be ruined by your contradictory demands, I have suggested to the forum staff that we draw up specific rules for #euk, rather than rely on people's decency and using forum rules there. If we do that and people abide by those rules then there won't be a problem, I won't count on you forgetting anyone else's past as you beg forgiveness for yours though.. so no doubt it will continue to run foul of your double standards.
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He had spent his whole life despised and hated for the mere triviality of wearing dresses and make-up despite possessing a (rather magnificent) penis, and this persecution had fostered within him both a desperate yearning to be loved and appreciated, and an iconoclastic desire to subvert and destroy the odious traditions on which society was built.

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Re: Procedure for dealing with abusive behaviour
« #31 : March 17, 2013, 08:03:18 PM »
Goku, if this "legislation" was in place, then even moar congressmen will be turned away from their own country's community. It's like banning people from the forums for making a mistake. There's simply no point other than to alienate other members of the community if they get a little "hot-headed" like a good friend of yours. The forum mods can control their own jurisdiction, but I don't see why they would have to attempt to police outside the forums. They aren't a teacher you can tattle to.

I'm sure johno had the best intentions when he made the proposal, but let's be honest, it's just him trying to roleplay the commie looking out for everyone. It will be abused, and it will get annoying for a lot of people. If people are really upset by a few words someone says to them when they're playing erepublik, we all know the simple solution, don't we?

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Re: Procedure for dealing with abusive behaviour
« #32 : March 17, 2013, 08:24:23 PM »
Look at us being all oppressive prohibiting discussio-waaaaaaaaaaait.

Anyway, if people really have issues we'll always be there..
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Re: Procedure for dealing with abusive behaviour
« #33 : March 17, 2013, 08:53:10 PM »
: "Thedark ace"
Goku, if this "legislation" was in place, then even moar congressmen will be turned away from their own country's community. It's like banning people from the forums for making a mistake. There's simply no point other than to alienate other members of the community if they get a little "hot-headed" like a good friend of yours. The forum mods can control their own jurisdiction, but I don't see why they would have to attempt to police outside the forums. They aren't a teacher you can tattle to.

I'm sure johno had the best intentions when he made the proposal, but let's be honest, it's just him trying to roleplay the commie looking out for everyone. It will be abused, and it will get annoying for a lot of people. If people are really upset by a few words someone says to them when they're playing erepublik, we all know the simple solution, don't we?
OK. I'm not sure what I think about the OP myself so I don't nessesarily agree either.

Re: Procedure for dealing with abusive behaviour
« #34 : March 17, 2013, 09:14:55 PM »
: "Goku Jones"

As I said we need to get everyone together to disucss the hate and try to end it.

Perhaps ending the one way sport of you following I.A members around in articles or putting us down in other parties articles might be a start?  ;)

Sorry if i am skeptical but this is the third time you have suggested this recently...the previous two times have resulted in you then flaming internal I.A articles which have no mention of yourself or your party...hence why they are internal. Would be nice to see you back your words up with actions for once but it has never happened before so I won't start dreaming now  :lol:

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Re: Procedure for dealing with abusive behaviour
« #35 : March 17, 2013, 09:18:40 PM »
This thread is a good demonstration of why perma-banning should be brought back more flexibly (in the community interest)
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Re: Procedure for dealing with abusive behaviour
« #36 : March 17, 2013, 09:27:21 PM »
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As I said we need to get everyone together to disucss the hate and try to end it.

Perhaps ending the one way sport of you following I.A members around in articles or putting us down in other parties articles might be a start?  ;)

Sorry if i am skeptical but this is the third time you have suggested this recently...the previous two times have resulted in you then flaming internal I.A articles which have no mention of yourself or your party...hence why they are internal. Would be nice to see you back your words up with actions for once but it has never happened before so I won't start dreaming now  :lol:
This is one of the problems, it's always one sided. Nobody looks at their own friends and party members. You realise I didn't run for PP and stopped posting articles because Alotta Funz was spamming every single comment? He is one of yours. I also as you know tried to offer you an olive branch, and ok the exact terms were turned down by your members but you didn't bother to rely or offer an alternative.

I've done being 100% constructive and the flaming of me got worse! Everyone has to make an effort and agree to do so, not just me do it solo again. This is me again trying to offer an olive branch and see if we can sort some things out, but I appear to be in for a flaming?

Re: Procedure for dealing with abusive behaviour
« #37 : March 17, 2013, 09:40:47 PM »
: "Goku Jones"
This is one of the problems, it's always one sided. Nobody looks at their own friends and party members. You realise I didn't run for PP and stopped posting articles because Alotta Funz was spamming every single comment? He is one of yours. I also as you know tried to offer you an olive branch, and ok the exact terms were turned down by your members but you didn't bother to rely or offer an alternative.

I've done being 100% constructive and the flaming of me got worse! Everyone has to make an effort and agree to do so, not just me do it solo again. This is me again trying to offer an olive branch and see if we can sort some things out, but I appear to be in for a flaming?

Goku...I am being very sincere and calm here okay?

But...but...you offered a merger between you and us. I posted up a ballot as PP and not one person said yes. What do you expect of me? What should I do? Even if I had of said ''sod it were going to merge with New Era'' I still can't force people to join because it is not in my power. You are being very arrogant in thinking we were wrong not to merge with you because it's not your God given right to decide that. We also were approached by another party in the top 5 for a merger proposition and a vote went up and went the same way.

As for the Allotta, I am happy to show PM's where I begged...begged them to stop. I even apologised to you for his conduct which i very much was against...when I got flamed by Don remember you ignored it? Two sides Goku to every story mate. Back to Allotta...As you know I have no power to remove them as it isn't in the game mechanics. But i will say in all honesty this started because i left New Era, thats what brought the flaming from Don and Sir Winston and thats what started your negativity towards the party i am in. No comments have been on your articles as a party in the last week yet still you continue...bit hard to be a martyr when so many have seen you cover yourself with diesel and then run home to mummy saying we are picking on you.

You can't keep flaming then asking for peace when you get bored or have a change of heart.

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Re: Procedure for dealing with abusive behaviour
« #38 : March 17, 2013, 09:51:19 PM »
Sometimes I feel like some parties are unwilling to take collective responsibility when one of their prominent members go rogue or do something ridiculously stupid. The in-game mechanics may not allow you to boot them out of the party, but you can certainly make it very difficult for them to be a part of it. All you have to do is ban them from official forum and IRC channels, message your members warning them about them, denounce them publicly in official articles and watch as their party influence landslides until their eventual ragequit. This tactic has been employed successfully many times by the older parties.


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Re: Procedure for dealing with abusive behaviour
« #39 : March 17, 2013, 10:00:54 PM »
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Sometimes I feel like some parties are unwilling to take collective responsibility when one of their prominent members go rogue or do something ridiculously stupid. The in-game mechanics may not allow you to boot them out of the party, but you can certainly make it very difficult for them to be a part of it. All you have to do is ban them from official forum and IRC channels, message your members warning them about them, denounce them publicly in official articles and watch as their party influence landslides until their eventual ragequit. This tactic has been employed successfully many times by the older parties.

The person involved has been on IRC once and hasn't got forum access...at least myself or Klurr hasn't given it to them. They (in my defence) only posted a couple of times and nobody replied...nobody. it is one person and Goku received an apology and explanation. That person was from New Era and has sent me pictures of PM's from Don Dapper encouraging them to flame articles of legion. I have had long conversations explaining that IA doesn't do that...sadly all this has been one way from us and no action taken from the other side, well apart from Goku asking for peace then flaming our articles hours later.