Dear Messrs. Bohemond and Carlini,
I wish to address the points from your posts thusly:
almost 3/4 of TUP do not have forum accounts.
the remaining 1/4, maybe 1/2 of that regularly log on, with around 1/4 of the 1/4, or 1/8 posting regularly and caring.
And we are one of the highest forum user parties, the second largest party in the eUK has around 20 accounts on the forums that say anything...and most of those don't even talk anymore, we only see about 2 big New Era posters.
Maybe we need to rethink how the forums are moderated in order to get more users, and, importantly, to get all the parties to encourage their use.
Maybe we do, but what I'm asking is how can people say with certainty that the problem of people not using the forum is actually do to do with how the forums are moderated? It's really quite a simple question, I just want to see how people correlate the two things.
It is well over a half that couldn't care less about these forums due to what has gone on here, W-HHHHHHH-EEEEELLLLLLLL over.
Once again, I ask simply how you have come to that conclusion.
Also, as already stated it is ridiculous to ask for evidence. You are a moderator of our forums, surely you should know something about that is going on within the game. It is clear as day to 95% of the eUK players who read articles.
No, it's not ridiculous, and given this is based around how we can improve the forum I think it's quite dangerous to just accept something at face value and act upon it without considering other possibilities.
I don't know a lot of what's going on within the game, personally, because I haven't played it for a very long time now. When I quit, it (and particularly the state of party politics) was in a slow decline, and the impression I get is that that remains the case, although I will of course take note of your assessment:
Party - Congress Votes - Stand on Forums - Reason they have this stand now
TUP - 209 - Do not inform new players of them, once the party that drove the forums, since the moderation changes a few of their most prominent members actively discourage them. Reason: How the forums are run
So basically, rather than constructively bring these disputes up and make an effort to try and improve the forum they instead act in order to damage it?
NE + UKPP - 243 - Actively discourage the forums. Call the current forums unfair and house of the old elite etc - So many quotes, all you have to do is actually log in to the game / irc and you hit one. Reason: How the forums are run
Same question as above.
UKRP - 79 - Probably the only party left actively pushing to the forums as they control them, however I don't really see that many, maybe they too have given up on them.
I thought we had moved on from the nonsense rhetoric that a party controls the forum? Do you really believe that?
When I first played this game you needed to use these forums to really know what was going on, to know the important info that was needed (I am talking about the sort of info that still isn't in articles to this day, you need to get on IRC now which is obviously terribad for groups and storage due to the nature of IRC). Now you can log on here to see what is going on with minecraft, what the latest gay fad is and who wants to play what other game. There is very little useful about eRep bar flaming.
I imagine for new players the first issue remains to be what I experienced when I first joined: that registering on the forums is a much further commitment to the game than simply starting to play it. This used to be negated largely through parties involving people in politics and trying to make the experience better for people, but apparently I've missed something that happened where instead of that, parties have rejected what they consider an "establishment" and no longer work to create a larger community. Over some disputes perhaps the moderation and admins are at fault but to be quite honest anyone who leads their party and community away from the forum because of politics or disputes is being counterproductive and acting without regard for what happens to the larger community beyond their own party.
I'm sure there are justifications for doing it and I'm also sure that they'll be brought up but to be quite honest - no matter what else - we're all people capable of intelligent discussion about an issue or problem that is affecting the community and the responsibility for doing so should be felt by everyone.
P.S. Mr. Carlini, what exactly is your problem with the way I choose to post?