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Thedark ace

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New Laptop
« on: July 14, 2012, 10:43:46 am »
I'm looking for a new laptop, and I figured you kids are good with computers and therefore I should make a forum post asking which laptop to get. I'd like one which I can internet (erepublik), play a bit of Viccy, EU, etc, and music storage. So, reccomendations?

Dan Moir

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Re: New Laptop
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2012, 12:44:38 pm »
Depends on your budget really.  Dedicated graphics is important as well as memory.  I wouldn't go with anything less than 6gig of memory on a Windows 7 laptop.

From a very quick look, these look ok.

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Bob the terrorist

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Re: New Laptop
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2012, 01:02:22 pm »
Nah, just get one off ebay or something. None of what you want to do with it is very taxing (except perhaps EU3?) so it shouldn't matter how good it is, as long as it's not total crap. Just make sure it has at least 1GB RAM, 100GB hard drive, comes with a graphics card. That sort of thing.
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Dan Moir

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Re: New Laptop
« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2012, 01:16:15 pm »
Quote from: "Bob the terrorist"
Nah, just get one off ebay or something. None of what you want to do with it is very taxing (except perhaps EU3?) so it shouldn't matter how good it is, as long as it's not total crap. Just make sure it has at least 1GB RAM, 100GB hard drive, comes with a graphics card. That sort of thing.

Try running Windows 7 with 1GIG of RAM.   When you buy a laptop you really want it to be able to last you 5 years or so if possible, so the extra memory and a decent graphics card is well worth it.

Ergo Deus

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Re: New Laptop
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2012, 01:21:00 pm »
Quote from: "Dan Moir"
I wouldn't go with anything less than 6gig of memory on a Windows 7 laptop.
Ignore this completely.

If you're going to recommend specs to someone, at least recommend a range of specs. There are still computer merchants who will sell a gullible customer a 32-bit with more than 4Gbs of RAM. Without 64-bit, it can't even access anything above 4.

You want to be looking to maximise your processor to RAM ratio if you're buying a laptop that you want to play games on. Unless your price scale is going far north into the £1500 region, you are unlikely to find one with a dedicated graphics card and you will be dealing with the onboard chipset. Now, with a decent enough system, you can still manage a fair few games at a decent spec (medium graphics levels with maybe a few switched to high such as distance draw).

Now, there's no reason you can't get a laptop with 6Gbs, you just need to ensure you've got a 64-bit processor. You're going to be looking for dual-core, obviously, so anything north of 1.6Ghz (per core) is going to suit your needs. If you can get something a bit higher, do so, but ensure the L2 cache is above 1Mb otherwise you'll just bottleneck it.

Brand-wise, I'd recommend looking for an HP or a Toshiba. The HP Pavilion and Toshiba Satellite models are the best. Easily the most reliable suppliers that I've ever dealt with.

As far as hard drives are concerned, you want at least 500Gb. A lot of the higher specs are matched with a 320Gb HDD in order to reduce the price but if you shop around, you should be able to maintain the processor and RAM specs and find the 500Gb minimum.

Purely as an example, this would be the sort of model you're looking for in the £300-£500 range: http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/hp-pavili ... 5-pdt.html

If you've got a bit more cash, you should grab this: http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/samsung-s ... 8-pdt.html It's a bit of a rare catch because it comes with a mid-range (NVIDIA 520MX 1Gb) graphics card. It's Samsung, which isn't a huge deal, but they tend to have bad quality cases. The exterior fittings can become loose easily.

Now, if you've got the money, this is probably you're best bet without heading into XPS territory: http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/hp-pavili ... 6-pdt.html It's got a pretty awesome processor considering the price (i5 2.5Ghz dual core). The screen is slightly smaller than average but only by about an inch and a half. Got a 750Gb HDD and a low-mid range GFX card.

Depends what you're looking for in particular and how much cash you've got to spend really at the end of the day.
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Re: New Laptop
« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2012, 01:31:11 pm »
Quote from: "Dan Moir"
Quote from: "Bob the terrorist"
Nah, just get one off ebay or something. None of what you want to do with it is very taxing (except perhaps EU3?) so it shouldn't matter how good it is, as long as it's not total crap. Just make sure it has at least 1GB RAM, 100GB hard drive, comes with a graphics card. That sort of thing.

Try running Windows 7 with 1GIG of RAM.   When you buy a laptop you really want it to be able to last you 5 years or so if possible, so the extra memory and a decent graphics card is well worth it.
Why exactly is windows 7 necessary? Perhaps it's just me, but I've got to the stage now where I'm pretty happy with a computer that would have been considered fairly good in 2004, simply because I can't be having with all these unnecessarily flashy new games. I'm making a big assumption here, which is that someone who just wants to play old parado-

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Thedark ace

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Re: New Laptop
« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2012, 02:11:16 pm »
Thanks Dan & Ergo  :D

I was tied between the last one Ergo reccomended and this one: http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/hp-pavili ... 9-pdt.html

In the end I just went for the cheaper (the one I linked) but thanks for all the reccomendations, v helpful  :)

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Re: New Laptop
« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2012, 02:50:31 pm »
You'll be ok with that.  I'm surprised Ergo rates the Toshiba Satellite.  I had one and it was awful.  It was always noisy and running hot and just gave in after about 2 years and I was hardly giving it a heavy workload.  I'm extremely happy with the Samsung I have now.

The i5 processor is pretty good.  Avoiding anything with word Celeron in it is essential IMO.

Ergo Deus

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Re: New Laptop
« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2012, 04:12:30 pm »
Quote from: "Dan Moir"
Avoiding anything with word Celeron in it is essential IMO.
This, on the other hand, is sage advice.

The one you picked looks much better bang for buck than the last one I suggested. Good find.
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Struggle Snuggles

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Re: New Laptop
« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2012, 12:35:21 am »
Bad experience here with a Tosh satellite, but at least Pavilions are reliable.

Unfortunately, that screen is too small for paradox games, 1366x768 is a cramped vertical screen height. I fear you will not enjoy it much, but otherwise, it looks adequate.

I'm in the market for a (not necessarily) new PC, which needs to be a computer that can run a bunch of programs I've had in storage for three years now (mainly modelling/rendering apps, and some games) lighter than 6kg and smaller than 20", so I can reasonably transport it around as I move house frequently over the next three to four years. Probably going to get a Lenovo IdeaPad L580, partly because I get $1000 dollars off the $2000 top spec thanks to work, and partly due to the warranty on my current ThinkPad letting me replace p much the entire computer, which extended its life by 18 months and helped get me this job.

I'm not completely sold though, so any other suggestions? Core i5 or i7, at least 900 vertical pixels and dedicated nVidia 55x / up are non negotiable, everything else is fine. Sub 900 pounds. It will be permaplugged so battery life not an issue.

Thedark ace

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Re: New Laptop
« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2012, 06:56:35 pm »
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Unfortunately, that screen is too small for paradox games, 1366x768 is a cramped vertical screen height. I fear you will not enjoy it much, but otherwise, it looks adequate.

Sadly I think you're right, I'm having trouble loading it up, but I'm trying to change screen settings.

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Re: New Laptop
« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2012, 12:12:32 am »
I'm currently using a Tosh satellite, and I have to resist the urge to smash it against the door frame every day.
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Re: New Laptop
« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2012, 02:06:47 am »

fraser

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Re: New Laptop
« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2012, 11:12:31 am »
http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/lenovo-es ... 1-pdt.html

got this about a month ago been a great buy so far :D

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Re: New Laptop
« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2012, 05:44:16 pm »
Been thinking of replacing my laptop, this thread has been a great help thanks :D
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Re: New Laptop
« Reply #15 on: July 20, 2012, 08:45:32 pm »
I have a Dell. It's okay, nice and shiny, but I feel once you get past the outer layer you peel it back to discover a load of shit.
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Iain Keers

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Re: New Laptop
« Reply #16 on: July 20, 2012, 10:15:31 pm »
I would avoid Toshiba like the plague. Dell is ok, but you get what you pay for. Nearly all Windows 7 ready laptops run 64 bit versions. I wouldn't worry about more than 4gb of RAM for gamez since most of them are designed with current gen consoles in mind, which are obviously well behind. Windows 7 is less of a drag than vista on RAM. Even i3 processors have upwards of 3ghz clockspeed these days. Higher clockspeed however = more power used = less runtime on the battery. I've got an asus transformer prime which suits me for the internet and so forth, lasts 18 hours on one charge. If you're getting a laptop like people have said graphics are going to be generic until you hit the ultrabook & gaming laptop ranges. Samsung and Asus make good laptops these days. I'd avoid the whole 'Alienware' thing since it's just expensive Dell merch :P Lenovo are actually decent budget PCs, they tend to sacrifice on screen quality and graphics to keep the price down though. They're gunning for the "family" market. Again if all you want is to play EU3/Vicky then you could probably manage it on pretty much anything. They're really low-demand games.

Oh and I'd seriously recommend not buying anything from PC World. They're infamously shite.
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Re: New Laptop
« Reply #17 on: July 24, 2012, 07:05:17 am »
would like to add as you iain said dont buy from pc world-that just happened to a viewing link only!!
i know made bought a pc from there few years ago--nothing but troubles with it and their customer service was terrible and the pc was filled with rubbish,biggest offender been norton anti virus

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Re: New Laptop
« Reply #18 on: July 24, 2012, 09:41:19 am »
What I do with every new PC they bring to me because it sucks is deleting Vista or 7 and putting Windows XP on it. That really speeds things up. Almost no one needed Vista or 7. Linux did help some others.

But some new games need sometimes newer operating systems. :(

When you need to buy something new, check first what you want to run on it and check if drivers are being supported for other systems.
Pre installed without drivers for other systems I would avoid strongly.
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Ergo Deus

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Re: New Laptop
« Reply #19 on: July 24, 2012, 10:48:48 am »
Quote from: "Niemand"
What I do with every new PC they bring to me because it sucks is deleting Vista or 7 and putting Windows XP on it. That really speeds things up. Almost no one needed Vista or 7. Linux did help some others.

But some new games need sometimes newer operating systems. :(

When you need to buy something new, check first what you want to run on it and check if drivers are being supported for other systems.
Pre installed without drivers for other systems I would avoid strongly.
Windows 7 is far superior to XP. Not only is XP not supported properly any more by both Microsoft and most major software vendors but its window manager is terrible, the OS is prone to crash and the 64-bit version (which you need for most modern PC's due to RAM capacity) is fuuuuucking terrible.
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