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Dnouser

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Re: Questionnaire discussion
« Reply #80 on: April 22, 2013, 08:29:34 pm »
Good grief, the problem is addressed in this very thread.  Two diverse groups of people who want different things trying to work together. How about everyone just grow up and submit to the moderation that is already in place, they are bending over backwards to work with you all.  


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Re: Questionnaire discussion
« Reply #81 on: April 22, 2013, 09:07:15 pm »
Here's my two cents:

Infractions ought to be set out in different tiers. Right now, two vastly different infractions can result in the same punishment. Some things like pornography are easy to determine, and can be dealt with using a warning and then a ban afterwards.

Other things, like "racism" are not as easily defined. Once on IRC, I made some sort of joke about black people on #euk during a joke session of some sort. It wasn't intended to be insulting or racist in any way, but some people overreacted, and I got demoted temporarily from Op ot half op.

This is a good example of how there can be miscommunications on the internet. It can be hard to detect irony, sarcasm, or tone using just text. A friendly joke can be misinterpreted as a deadly insult.

To this effect, we need to make sure our admins can interpret what people are saying in threads to see whether it is an actual insult deserving punishment, or something that can be let go.

Adding to that, someone who is accused of racism or bigotry or another "crime", should have a chance to explain themselves. Not in a PM, but in an actual thread where the accused can explain their actions to the public, preventing the accused from unfair punishment. The public should be able to see the process of punishment, to establish good faith that the punishment is indeed fair and just.

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Re: Questionnaire discussion
« Reply #82 on: April 23, 2013, 10:09:42 am »
Just to expand on my thoughts.

The forum is too EREP focused. This is the eUK community use that as a tool to move forward. OFF TOPIC forums have as many posts as the entire eUK General forum, despite a largely irrelevant game we have a here a great "Online Gaming Community" or CLAN as they are usually referred too, Erep is just a small part of many on here's online time. You have Battlefield Groups, Minecraft Groups, Sim City Groups etc etc..... Move the focus towards an online gaming community rather than an Erep central community.

http://www.egov4you.info/country/history/29

For around 300 days now our ingame Pop has stayed largely static. You can spin it whichever way you like for your own political games but simply put, Erepublik in the UK is a largely irrelevant game, on a world stage this forum represents about 1.5% of said game community, active on here probably about 0.2-0.3%.

You already allow any group to be created aslong as it has 10 voters so expand on that, become the UK Online Community.

Far Far too many forums on here are spreading a thin user base further out and having some forums without posts for weeks on end. MERGE General & PD. Presidential Announcements should just be an announcement at the top of said merged forum. Once a new "update" is applied, it replaces the old one. 3 Forums that don't actually justify being more than one.

Free Stuff - Merge it with Citizen Advice. Does 12 Topics really justify a forum??

Government Forums - Waste of time, merge it with something or make it a sub forum.
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Re: Questionnaire discussion
« Reply #83 on: April 23, 2013, 10:49:21 am »
Quote from: "BaskB"
Just to expand on my thoughts.

The forum is too EREP focused. This is the eUK community use that as a tool to move forward. OFF TOPIC forums have as many posts as the entire eUK General forum, despite a largely irrelevant game we have a here a great "Online Gaming Community" or CLAN as they are usually referred too, Erep is just a small part of many on here's online time. You have Battlefield Groups, Minecraft Groups, Sim City Groups etc etc..... Move the focus towards an online gaming community rather than an Erep central community.


You should read this thread. It was an idea I took from USA last year that's similar to this.


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BaskB

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Re: Questionnaire discussion
« Reply #84 on: April 23, 2013, 10:58:48 am »
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Just to expand on my thoughts.

The forum is too EREP focused. This is the eUK community use that as a tool to move forward. OFF TOPIC forums have as many posts as the entire eUK General forum, despite a largely irrelevant game we have a here a great "Online Gaming Community" or CLAN as they are usually referred too, Erep is just a small part of many on here's online time. You have Battlefield Groups, Minecraft Groups, Sim City Groups etc etc..... Move the focus towards an online gaming community rather than an Erep central community.


You should read this thread. It was an idea I took from USA last year that's similar to this.

Appears to be a "LONG" internal discussion then  ;)  :lol:
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Thomas765

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Re: Questionnaire discussion
« Reply #85 on: April 23, 2013, 11:05:17 am »
We actually tried turning this forum into a more gaming orientated community but it was shot down afterwards for a variety reasons, the first and main reason for it was the fact that the forum is erepublik.co.uk. I know you're not suggesting a complete transformation from eUK to a simple gaming community but I don't think we will ever have appeal as a gaming community while our primary community is based around a shoddy game that few apparently like. Secondly, the first one was largely unfinished when it was introduced back when Frerk was admin before he quit and came back. I'm not shooting down your idea for gaming forums, I actually like the idea but it's the forum membership that shot it down before and it could be the same again. The idea for that forum was basically to create a whole new category for gaming outside of eRepublik.

But it would be cool to try again if it's actually used. We do have a whole load of people within the community that like to play or watch the same stuff. A noteworthy example that has been a recurring theme for several months now is the Game of Thrones. We even had a forum game dedicated to it before it blew up. Two of our most active topics are Game of Thrones topics. The solution to this would be encouragement to people who like arts, who like sport, who like gaming and so on to use the forum. We can easily split Off Topic Central into other categories again as I think having specific forums for discussion in the past had actually encouraged activity.

I agree with your suggestion about Citizen Advice.

I may also agree with your suggestion about PD and General. We no longer really need PD since congress decided to do away with forum politics several months ago. It's recently been a place to start shitstorms in, which isn't something I generally like to see on my "View New Posts". However, I do like having a place where all those shitstorms can be placed so it means people that like playing the game but don't like the politics can see that forum and simply avoid it, whereas general discussion was always where the gameplay - such as discussion how Ireland are so shit - occurred.

Government forums are a waste of time. The MoHA forum isn't used. The MoFA forum isn't used despite being nagged about changing its leadership for the entirety of the month. Every other forum isn't used either. So we'll see about removing them perhaps. There's no point keeping dead-weight forums around.

James Keiller

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Re: Questionnaire discussion
« Reply #86 on: April 23, 2013, 11:32:00 am »
Can you please direct me to the how Ireland are so shit discussion. I can't seem to find it.

BaskB

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Re: Questionnaire discussion
« Reply #87 on: April 23, 2013, 12:33:06 pm »
Quote from: "Thomas765"
We actually tried turning this forum into a more gaming orientated community but it was shot down afterwards for a variety reasons, the first and main reason for it was the fact that the forum is erepublik.co.uk. I know you're not suggesting a complete transformation from eUK to a simple gaming community but I don't think we will ever have appeal as a gaming community while our primary community is based around a shoddy game that few apparently like. Secondly, the first one was largely unfinished when it was introduced back when Frerk was admin before he quit and came back. I'm not shooting down your idea for gaming forums, I actually like the idea but it's the forum membership that shot it down before and it could be the same again. The idea for that forum was basically to create a whole new category for gaming outside of eRepublik.

But it would be cool to try again if it's actually used. We do have a whole load of people within the community that like to play or watch the same stuff. A noteworthy example that has been a recurring theme for several months now is the Game of Thrones. We even had a forum game dedicated to it before it blew up. Two of our most active topics are Game of Thrones topics. The solution to this would be encouragement to people who like arts, who like sport, who like gaming and so on to use the forum. We can easily split Off Topic Central into other categories again as I think having specific forums for discussion in the past had actually encouraged activity.

TBH reading over my comments, in a way they are leaning towards Keers & Goku's sentiments, along with the likes of Carlini.

Not referencing political crap, we do appear to have 2 groups on here, the first group are eRep active, take a big part in it and want to see this go forward, then we have the other group whom have been here a while forged friendships that have led onto other things like gaming/sports etc. and have moved away from erep, of course some will sit in both camps (Talon is a prime example here)

Personally I play erep, but am I an active player? Probably not, I'm a captain in Legion, and do that sort of thing, but I don't use IRC, I don't use the Media Module, and for a longtime I don't really play any part in politics. So although I "play" erep thats pretty much about all it is now. The 2nd group of course I'm a part of being in the eUK minecraft community, note I say the eUK minecraft community and not Minecraft community

So in that respect, take a look at the "OFF Topic" forums and take a leaf out of that book. The people whom are active in them communities are the ones that Moderate it (Boblos House & Minecraft are the examples here), Global Mods and Admin will be required of course but they take a backseat role to the forum Mods.

Erep has now become so simplified you could wrap pretty much all the eUK related forums into 4 or 5 key ones with Stickys & Announcements for things like Rules, Freebie links and so forth. Then let people whom take a very active role ingame mod them.

Expand the gaming/off topic forums into a "Community" section whereby people can get together with other games, have Boblos house etc and moderate them as a group themselves. PROMOTE this is in erepublik, let people know there's a place all us eUK players can hang about in and play other games etc while we wait for out "FF's" to replenish.

Global Mods job is then just to oversee things are ensure Site rules are followed (racism, porn etc etc is still kept off things) and of course provide a complaints chain over the local Mods. Also create new forums and groups as needed.

Site Admin then do what they should do and just Admin the site...

You have a community born out of a game called erepublik, in essence a CLAN as they are referred to. This forum really isn't erepublik.co.uk anymore but more an eUK.co.uk

Either way whatever happens, reducing the MASS of erep related forums that are basically unused is a must!
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Malkaiser

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Re: Questionnaire discussion
« Reply #88 on: April 23, 2013, 06:03:18 pm »
What did you actually do to promote this forum as a general gaming forum other than move some sub forums around?

BaskB has it right. We need active people building/promoting the forums, not inactive people managing/maintaining them.

It's not our forum to make these choices for and I belive that we need to start thinking about massive change to reinvigorate the eRepublik players efforts, which would be most likely a forum move.

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Re: Questionnaire discussion
« Reply #89 on: April 24, 2013, 07:14:45 pm »
All this thread has done so far is make Frerk et al moan about Goku and I. I agree we need active, involved players running the forums who actually have a stake in their success. When they stop playing the game, by all means stay on as emeritus members or whatever, but don't run the show. Even Kumnaa has removed his red name, because he knows someone who doesn't play can't admin.
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Re: Questionnaire discussion
« Reply #90 on: April 24, 2013, 10:09:07 pm »
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All this thread has done so far is make Frerk et al moan about Goku and I. I agree we need active, involved players running the forums who actually have a stake in their success. When they stop playing the game, by all means stay on as emeritus members or whatever, but don't run the show. Even Kumnaa has removed his red name, because he knows someone who doesn't play can't admin.
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Re: Questionnaire discussion
« Reply #91 on: April 25, 2013, 06:10:44 pm »
I think that he means active players not two click. Innovative players not managers.

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Re: Questionnaire discussion
« Reply #92 on: April 25, 2013, 07:05:14 pm »
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I think that he means active players not two click. Innovative players not managers.
Oh hai, Minister of Finance coming off the back of two vCP terms and a Presidential run here, is that active enough?

EDIT:Also, Thomas has some sort of fancy title in TWO....
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Re: Questionnaire discussion
« Reply #93 on: April 25, 2013, 09:10:49 pm »
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I think that he means active players not two click. Innovative players not managers.
Oh hai, Minister of Finance coming off the back of two vCP terms and a Presidential run here, is that active enough?

EDIT:Also, Thomas has some sort of fancy title in TWO....
So how have you improved forums? Having OTHER jobs just takes up your time and being a finance/diplomacy guy doesn't make you a programmer, recruiter or community builder.

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Re: Questionnaire discussion
« Reply #94 on: April 25, 2013, 10:48:05 pm »
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I think that he means active players not two click. Innovative players not managers.
Oh hai, Minister of Finance coming off the back of two vCP terms and a Presidential run here, is that active enough?

EDIT:Also, Thomas has some sort of fancy title in TWO....
So how have you improved forums? Having OTHER jobs just takes up your time and being a finance/diplomacy guy doesn't make you a programmer, recruiter or community builder.
Well it's not like I've tried to make people chat about the problems with the forums.openly, or just tried to be a friendly face in general to try and help out with peoples issues, technical or otherwise.

You wanted people to be active ingame... But now because we've shown that two thirds of the admin team are very involved with day to day life in the game you suddenly narrow your definition. Please, bring me all the programmers, recruiters and community builders you like but I don't want a forum staffed by Mantle and BigAnt
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Re: Questionnaire discussion
« Reply #95 on: April 25, 2013, 10:51:38 pm »
You don't get it.

We don't need mods, we need people to do stuff. You wouldn't have (as your example) Mantle modding, you'd have him adding features to the forums.

You don't need the CP modding, you just need people with an actual interest in the game.

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Re: Questionnaire discussion
« Reply #96 on: April 25, 2013, 11:02:51 pm »
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You don't get it.

We don't need mods, we need people to do stuff. You wouldn't have (as your example) Mantle modding, you'd have him adding features to the forums.

You don't need the CP modding, you just need people with an actual interest in the game.
Christ, what do you actually want added? Oh wait, that would be far too easy for you to say because you wouldn't want people to make any sort of contribution if they're on another 'side' to you. I honestly don't know what you think we do? Apparently multiple logins to Erep aren't good enough for you, nor is active political involvement. You want me to be changing the colour scheme every five days so we can appear hip and trendy? Give us some actual ideas and if they're good, we'll implement them.
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Re: Questionnaire discussion
« Reply #97 on: April 25, 2013, 11:03:16 pm »
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you just need people with an actual interest in the game.

Why?

Let me tell you pplz something. Digby is interested in the game. Because the community is the game. And he is more a participant in the community that exists on these forums than anyone else can claim to be, precisely because he isn't involved in all the shit slinging and neck-wrangling that goes on ingame.

The way I see, his disinterest in the bickering and petty squabbles makes him an ideal mod, and I find it highly ironic that various people who have claimed to be the victim of biased or party-driven over moderation would assert otherwise.
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Re: Questionnaire discussion
« Reply #98 on: April 25, 2013, 11:17:13 pm »
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Because the community is the game.

Aside from beginning the sentence with because, an absolutely excellent point
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Re: Questionnaire discussion
« Reply #99 on: April 26, 2013, 05:56:56 pm »
Looks guys, I get it you want quiet life managing and tell off forum goers. Fine.

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