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Erepublik => General Discussion => Topic started by: Ser Fartsalot on August 27, 2014, 10:27:50 pm

Title: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Ser Fartsalot on August 27, 2014, 10:27:50 pm
are hypocritical crap. If you want to enforce your own rules then don't appoint people who... can't follow your own rules.


"Be respectful to other people."

This is a joke right? You are the most disrespectful bunch in eUK.


"Please only use English"

Except when it's German... Then no one gets banned. Cause it's a "superior language" right?


"Do not start arguments with operators about the rules or a judgement."

Is it because they are perfect in their judgement or because they can't stand criticism or because they selectively enforce rules to remove people who's opinion they don't agree with?


Oh, not to mention the ban on porno material...



eUK is dropping in idlers and actives. The new rules and mostly people who are there to enforce them are killing little fun that is left. Great work.




Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: CptChazbeard on August 27, 2014, 10:34:47 pm
When the flower did they introduce rules to the channel?
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Ser Fartsalot on August 27, 2014, 10:37:05 pm
When the flower did they introduce rules to the channel?

http://forums.erepublik.co.uk/index.php?topic=88909.0

Retroactively, nine days ago.

Oink oink.
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Diakun on August 27, 2014, 10:44:42 pm
does anyone even listen to/follow these fail excuse for rules
get out dictator jambut
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Wayne on August 28, 2014, 02:30:42 am
only kdogg when he feels like it...
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Sir Digby Chicken-Caesar on August 28, 2014, 02:38:29 am
"Do not start arguments with operators about the rules or a judgement."

Is it because they are perfect in their judgement or because they can't stand criticism or because they selectively enforce rules to remove people who's opinion they don't agree with?

We encourage you to raise any issues in the proper way (ie admins). This has always been the case even when not written out, and is also the case here on the forums.

Common sense should tell you not to immediately start PMing the person who dealt you punishment demanding answers to questions (that 9 times out of 10 you won't like) or just trying to aggravate/harass - instead you write down your problems and send it to the person above them and sort it out properly. The reason this is put down in a rule is for when common sense doesn't apply. This is in no way a rule to state infallibility of judgements - it's to stop unnecessary butthurt and drama.

The rest of your criticisms I assume are based on specific instances that I'm unaware of, so I'm not going to comment on them.

Retroactively

?
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Wayne on August 28, 2014, 07:16:09 am
As an op and admin of the IRC, I encourage users to argue and criticize me.
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Sir Humphrey Appleby on August 28, 2014, 08:33:31 am
death to non-DC ops
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: RodneyMcKay on August 28, 2014, 12:00:32 pm
If you have an issue with some particular incident, it would be best to mention that so we know what you're talking about specifically.


Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Ser Fartsalot on August 30, 2014, 02:17:16 pm
If you have an issue with some particular incident, it would be best to mention that so we know what you're talking about specifically.

There were numerous times while I was banned for saying something in a foreign language while others were not. The new crap rules are just there as an excuse to remove those who ops don't agree with.

The channel is almost dead and these rules will finish it off.
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Diakun on August 30, 2014, 02:24:39 pm
If you have an issue with some particular incident, it would be best to mention that so we know what you're talking about specifically.

There were numerous times while I was banned for saying something in a foreign language while others were not. The new crap rules are just there as an excuse to remove those who ops don't agree with.

The channel is almost dead and these rules will finish it off.
the channel is dead as allways.
you should expect to get banned if you spam loads (especially in a disgusting language)
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Ser Fartsalot on August 30, 2014, 02:43:47 pm
the channel is dead as allways.
you should expect to get banned if you spam loads (especially in a disgusting language)

Never spammed.
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Diakun on August 30, 2014, 04:37:43 pm
you well did bro
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Wayne on August 30, 2014, 04:46:23 pm
just get rid of Kdogg, problem solved!
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Diakun on August 30, 2014, 09:14:45 pm
just get rid of Kdogg, problem solved!
you jelly of kdoggs greatness
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Alphabethis on September 01, 2014, 07:03:16 pm
trolling from mods at #euk is just the only rule, I think.
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Ser Fartsalot on October 05, 2014, 11:18:51 pm
Another atrocious eUK mod:  :|


http://prntscr.com/4tf9ci

http://prntscr.com/4tf9gn
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Iain Keers on October 06, 2014, 07:33:59 am
Who gave chaz any sort of power in the first place
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: RodneyMcKay on October 06, 2014, 08:38:05 am
You would think people would be able to all manage themselves in a chat room together.

Is this reception or something?
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Metapod on October 06, 2014, 10:56:58 am
I think you'll find serf is the only one who's ever had a problem.
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: paultyndale on October 06, 2014, 12:17:28 pm
It is rather worrying when 2 of the last 4 people to post here have been banned by Chaz in the last few days  :(
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Wayne on October 06, 2014, 02:27:40 pm
Who gave chaz any sort of power in the first place

Me, so I suggest you keep your mouth shut and your opinions to yourself, unless you wish to go the way of the Serf!
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: ApronChef on October 06, 2014, 03:13:09 pm
This is because of me isn't it, serf. I only banned you 14 times, kicked you like 30 times. Plus, I only said 1 sentence in german.

X
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Ser Fartsalot on October 06, 2014, 06:58:23 pm
^ Your new avatar sucks.


Actually all of this has to do with something bigger than Chaz. He's merely a puppet of his new master who is now in command. I am still gathering info but I can tell you that it has to do with the biggest heist in eUK's history, the degradation of our society and plundering of private institutions. More to come, including juicy screenshots...
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: paultyndale on October 07, 2014, 01:04:55 am
^ Your new avatar sucks.


Actually all of this has to do with something bigger than Chaz. He's merely a puppet of his new master who is now in command. I am still gathering info but I can tell you that it has to do with the biggest heist in eUK's history, the degradation of our society and plundering of private institutions. More to come, including juicy screenshots...

Oh?
We eagerly await new on this one :eek:
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Dishmcds on October 07, 2014, 05:53:55 am
Wow. A topic unlike any other I've ever seen.
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: VoodooMike71 on October 07, 2014, 09:41:14 am
[wakes up]

Is something genuinely interesting happening?
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Diakun on October 07, 2014, 11:30:43 am
[wakes up]

Is something genuinely interesting happening?
nothing interesting ever happens on the internet
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Metapod on October 07, 2014, 04:25:35 pm
the nhs is corrupt
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Diakun on October 07, 2014, 04:29:31 pm
the nhs is corrupt
gtfo tory scum
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Metapod on October 07, 2014, 05:10:41 pm
the nhs is corrupt
gtfo tory scum
suck on my chocolate salty balls
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Iain Keers on October 07, 2014, 10:50:10 pm
Who gave chaz any sort of power in the first place

Me, so I suggest you keep your mouth shut and your opinions to yourself, unless you wish to go the way of the Serf!

Just noticed one of you did ban me lol. Fair enough, channel is shit anyway.
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: paultyndale on October 07, 2014, 11:06:25 pm
Who gave chaz any sort of power in the first place

Me, so I suggest you keep your mouth shut and your opinions to yourself, unless you wish to go the way of the Serf!

Just noticed one of you did ban me lol. Fair enough, channel is shit anyway.

You were one of the 2 people I referred to in my earlier post - and it was Chaz
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Iain Keers on October 07, 2014, 11:36:31 pm
Silly, well we'll just have to see about that
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Wayne on October 08, 2014, 10:47:57 am
Who gave chaz any sort of power in the first place

Me, so I suggest you keep your mouth shut and your opinions to yourself, unless you wish to go the way of the Serf!

Just noticed one of you did ban me lol. Fair enough, channel is shit anyway.

I barely log in to IRC nowadays.
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: CptChazbeard on October 08, 2014, 08:53:34 pm
Serf calls an op a twat and requests a ban...

...he is banned...

...the ban is then lifted because who cares, I just felt he was intentionally trying to get banned to have a moan, as he has done.

What's the big fucking deal?

Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Wayne on October 09, 2014, 09:25:15 am
Ban em all Chaz!
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Ser Fartsalot on October 10, 2014, 06:21:13 pm
Serf calls an op a twat and requests a ban...

...he is banned...
You omitted the most important part from those screenshots.


Anyway, the omnipresent creature who calls himself kdogg and who still can't go over the fact he failed miserably in August CP race and Alex (who he's jelly of) became Prime Minister, continues to use stupid IRC rules to ban those he hates. Two days ago he banned me for a line in foreign language, while he didn't even kick atohnhaketon who did exactly the same:

http://prntscr.com/4uuwom

And all this because he didn't have support for CP race from anyone? How is that my problem? And when are you going to remove stupid rules that are never followed?
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Malkaiser on October 10, 2014, 06:38:04 pm
Welcome to 2009. You were banned for challenging their authority and making them look silly

These rules are just half baked ways in which people justify doing whatever they want while fooling themselves into thinking that they actually have a code of ethics and are doing a good job.

They live in their own little world and belive their own hype. The only way to get change is boycotting the channel.
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Iain Keers on October 10, 2014, 10:46:45 pm
Welcome to 2009. You were banned for challenging their authority and making them look silly

These rules are just half baked ways in which people justify doing whatever they want while fooling themselves into thinking that they actually have a code of ethics and are doing a good job.

They live in their own little world and belive their own hype. The only way to get change is boycotting the channel.


You were banned for being a c*&t. Shame that doesn't extend to here.
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Ser Fartsalot on October 10, 2014, 11:04:16 pm
@Iain: Lets be fair now, he wasn't banned just for being a c*nt. If that was the case, you'd be banned long time ago.


I demand everyone to stop this discrimination of cunts at once.
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Metapod on October 11, 2014, 01:54:02 pm
kdogg is love
kdogg is life
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Malkaiser on October 11, 2014, 07:12:41 pm
Thanks for proving my point Iain.

Iain is privilaged and so can get away with that sort of thing, he can't discriminate against woman/homosexuals/minorities because everyone is anonymous, so he joined and built his little elite so that he could discriminate against people not in his own caste/class. Bigot.
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Iain Keers on October 12, 2014, 01:51:27 pm
If by privileged you mean "less despised than goku" then everyone is privileged
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Wayne on October 12, 2014, 02:13:29 pm
Can you two go get a room and thrash this sexual tension you have out...
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Carlini8 on October 12, 2014, 03:05:08 pm
Why is Goku still here? I thought I read something saying he quit?
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Wayne on October 12, 2014, 03:18:20 pm
he can't bear to be away from iain
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Malkaiser on October 12, 2014, 09:35:19 pm
Why is Goku still here? I thought I read something saying he quit?
I was talking about a computer game unrelated to this forum.
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Metapod on October 12, 2014, 09:46:04 pm
Why is Goku still here? I thought I read something saying he quit?
I was talking about a computer game unrelated to this forum.
totally unrelated to the uk erepublik forum
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Ser Fartsalot on October 16, 2014, 05:15:45 pm
It's over a week now that I've been banned by kdogg because of his irrational hatred and jealousy of Alex and me. Since he and other admins don't want me to post there, I wonder why is CP Huey, who is reading forums, not unbanning me... Too busy doing nothing and making training war deals that will never happen?


Worst.Nazi.Cabinet.Ever
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: paultyndale on October 16, 2014, 05:35:08 pm
It's over a week now that I've been banned by kdogg because of his irrational hatred and jealousy of Alex and me. Since he and other admins don't want me to post there, I wonder why is CP Huey, who is reading forums, not unbanning me... Too busy doing nothing and making training war deals that will never happen?


Worst.Nazi.Cabinet.Ever

Have you asked Huey to unban you?
Is Huey reading the forums?
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: kdoggroundtwo on October 16, 2014, 05:38:59 pm
You were banned for breaking the rules.

You were given many warnings over days and weeks but you kept breaking the rules as you felt they shouldn't apply to you.

In the logs you provided trying to show you are unfairly treated I once again explained but you ignored and you broke the rules again so you were banned.

I have no intention on removing it.

PTOing my party to try an use as leverage won't change that.
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Ser Fartsalot on October 16, 2014, 06:15:36 pm
Another lie. Screenshot I posted shows how full of crap you are.

atohnhaketon (who tried to PTO the whole country and rob it and helped BigInsect get elected) did the exact same thing, as it can be seen in screenshot, and he wasn't even kicked.

Think of another reason?


@paul: I asked Huey many things, including to remove that pig Neil from Cabinet for making his party member leave the country. He told me he will instead try to convince him that Alex is the best person ever. At that time, I decided to stop reading bunch of bull and gave up on him. And yes, he does read and post here.
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Malkaiser on October 16, 2014, 06:59:15 pm
The only way to get change is boycotting the channel.
Trust me, I won against this shit and it just wasn't worth the effort.

Make a new channel.
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Diakun on October 16, 2014, 07:29:42 pm
The only way to get change is boycotting the channel.
Trust me, I won against this shit and it just wasn't worth the effort.

Make a new channel.
oh noes lets make a new channel because i dont have power there
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Malkaiser on October 16, 2014, 10:21:28 pm
It's not about power, I always said any channel I'd make would have no moderators. It's about fairness and freedom.
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Ser Fartsalot on October 16, 2014, 10:52:22 pm
It's not about power, I always said any channel I'd make would have no moderators. It's about fairness and freedom.
This.

Which is why I like to expose hypocrites who feel the need to silence those they disagree with. And look at him being butthurt he lost PP elections... despite not carrying about politics??
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Malkaiser on October 17, 2014, 06:35:32 pm
Fartsalot taking up my mantle as social and political justice warrior :)
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Iain Keers on October 17, 2014, 07:02:41 pm
Fartsalot taking up my mantle as social and political justice warrior :)
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Ser Fartsalot on October 17, 2014, 08:11:08 pm
I think it's time for Goku and I to join forces and make UK truly despicable for those who are killing it.
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Diakun on October 17, 2014, 08:12:23 pm
I think it's time for Goku and I to join forces and make UK truly despicable for everyone.
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Ser Fartsalot on October 17, 2014, 08:14:04 pm
That's a better idea.  8)
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Iain Keers on October 18, 2014, 10:25:40 am
What is dead cannot die
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Malkaiser on October 18, 2014, 11:30:14 am
What is dead cannot die
But can fail to be cast in the TV show.
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Ser Fartsalot on February 18, 2015, 10:46:55 pm
This forum continues to blow.


There's barely anything to read and people mostly post in threads visible only to 10 people...  :lol:
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: paultyndale on February 18, 2015, 10:58:58 pm
This forum continues to blow.


There's barely anything to read and people mostly post in threads visible only to 10 people...  :lol:


It does?
There's as much as there ever was - it may not be recent, but it's still there.
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: RodneyMcKay on February 19, 2015, 09:22:58 am
This forum continues to blow.


There's barely anything to read and people mostly post in threads visible only to 10 people...  :lol:


It only blows because the main contributors have all left, we still get 30 odd people on daily.

Problem is, erep has gone down the shitter and their's not a great load to talk about.
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Malkaiser on February 19, 2015, 10:32:36 am
I've been banging on about this for a while now. It's the same game it was 5 years ago, the total number of players doesn't really change the gameplay. I play several games with less users than eRepublik, so what? In fact it gives a smaller country more possibilities... if other countries are also smaller then we can attack them and increase our own fun and activity.

This failiure is all on the eUK community:

# We had a group of people who got to the top by networking on IRC and lying about how well they did in some junior government post, they did little but go inactive or complain about their competitors (Appleby effect). So we usually had no vision of what we were doing next or acheiveing other than the next medal for the flavour of the month "personality".

# There has always been little effort to get your regular player interested in the game, very few government people tell the stories of what is happening with wars etc. They usually just spam some 70's references and in jokes nobody gets with a fake persona (Horace effect).

# Then you have the DC types who seem to activly try to destroy any other organised groups (Wayne effect).

# Finally you those who when they get the chance they will steal anything not nailed down or cover up for their friends who have done it (Bigant effect). So there is no trust in anyone or any point building things up.


Now maybe I've missed something as I'm not keeping up with this anymore, but I'm going to guess that since I quit it's just been the same old stuff. Boring inactive people in charge, media full of Chazbeard or Horice type insanity, DC destroying any opposition groups forming and savings vanishing once a month. THEN YOU BLAME THE GAME!
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: RodneyMcKay on February 19, 2015, 11:00:38 am
I wonder what the Goku effect is
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Malkaiser on February 19, 2015, 11:12:15 am
Being the target of Ad Hominem arguments.
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: paultyndale on February 19, 2015, 02:17:39 pm
I wonder what the Goku effect is

X 2
 :lol:
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Diakun on February 19, 2015, 02:38:30 pm
I wonder what the Goku effect is
the splitting and destruction of the euk community while blaming everyone and everything else for it
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Metapod on February 19, 2015, 05:07:25 pm
I wonder what the Goku effect is
Failing to flower off
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Wayne on February 19, 2015, 09:05:19 pm
#wedon'teventry
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Malkaiser on February 19, 2015, 10:20:26 pm
So that is 5 replies all attacking me and none looking at the content of the post.

I can't imagine why all the main contributors left :P Maybe it's because every attempt at a contribution is shouted down? Try something different.
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Diakun on February 19, 2015, 10:54:28 pm
what contribution, the entire content of your post was just attacking and blaming everyone else as usual. this kind of thing is what has lead to aload of people getting fed up with the game.

and no its not the same game, its bland, stale and devoid of anything interesting now thus why non of it is worth playing
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Malkaiser on February 19, 2015, 11:41:54 pm
The game hasn't changed at all though, the actual mechanics are the same. The community changed and made it less fun, which you seem to be agreeing with there.

My contribution is pointing out a handful of behaviours which are causing things to be shit with reasons. I pretty much got "NO U" back with no reasons so if you think that what I wrote was a waste of time, I wonder what your opinion of your own post is? Do you guys actually disagree with all four of the things I wrote there? I'm sure that some people enjoy people like Horace and Chazbeard but exaggerated 70s humour/gifs surely shouldn't be the entire media entertainment offer? The other three things have happened from multiple governments from multiple parties and I can't see those points being objectionable at all.

I left off solutions (I do usually spend more time to add these in) because I kind of anticipated it being a waste of time since I'd get the same one sentence troll posts no matter what I posted. I'd be delighted to post my take on what to do if people think it's worth my time to do so. I think this goes to the core of why people left actually, nobody ever says "Hey I want you to play the game, what do you think about things?".



I asked a handful of questions there and spent a few minutes on this post. I cannot wait for the "UUURRGHHH GOKU EWWWWW" replies ignoring the whole thing or selectivly quoting one at best haha.
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Diakun on February 19, 2015, 11:55:58 pm
perhaps
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: CrispyDragon on February 20, 2015, 01:16:51 am
Your post could potentially describe the decline of eUK, but that would be to ignore the wider spread decline of the eRepublik community on the whole.

How would you explain global numbers falling?

As much as TUP wants to believe they have international reach, that's just a virgin's wet dream these days.
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: paultyndale on February 20, 2015, 01:17:42 am
Ok Malkaiser fair enough let me give you my opinion  :o

I would probably agree with most of what you've said - the main problem is the type 3 group.  My activity, (such that it is) has been approx 1 year and I've seen a process of gradual decay leaving what amounts to a complete train wreck. 

We had a brief coming together of major forces to ATO New Era, but sadly this just led to Vendetta and the PTO of TUP and the resultant treasury theft.

We've had two more brief and failed attempts to put eUK back on some sort of steady course.  The first was when KJ ran for CP as UKRP candidate backed by TUP.  Sadly despite a good campaign KJ was defeated - this is when I realised that the 'shits and giggles' brigade were in the majority  (/_<)

Since then it's been one disaster after another.  We had a brief hope a couple of months back when both Artela and Boh were running for TUP PP, sadly Artela had to return to USA and Boh, despite making initial progress, has had to step back for personal reasons. 

We now have TUP under DC led PTO again.

As far as solutions go - there aren't any.  You would probably need a group of about ten to a dozen people spread across all the main parties working together to bring the community together and back on track.  I don't see the candidates or this happening.

Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Malkaiser on February 20, 2015, 09:32:43 am
Oh thank you guys :)



CrispyDragon: It doesn't really matter, it's in our benefit to have other countries shrink as it's not like we ever depended on other countries media/parties to entertain us. It's still in our power to entertain our own players enough to keep many of them and the added potential for conquest with us being relatively larger and more powerful now should do that.

I think the issue is mobile games getting better and eRepublik still not having a proper mobile version, not "this game is shit" since it's mostly the same - that negativity you routinely see from "important" people just causes more to leave because you don't want to play the unpopular game.



paultyndale: Yeah people need to understand that destroying rival groups just hugely damaging long term to eUK, however they probably do understand this and do it on purpose. They want to be big fish in a small pond so a dying community suits them and they nurture that.

Are you only saying this because TUP is the target now though? You guys stood by while DC targeted your rivals. You mention yourself the New Era/Vendetta ATOs which you say you took part in, that itself was an effort to make all of those players quit the game. Rival groups (both sides) need more respect for each other I think.
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Nohjis on February 20, 2015, 10:45:05 am
I believe many people are playing the game all wrong. "Saving" money in state accounts and "Protecting" it from getting stolen is a really terrible way to go. It nurtures a feeling of distrust of "others" and a need for a particular group to stay in power. If there is no money, a PTO is essentially futile as the tide can be turned the next month. Ingame alliances can't be set in stone by a group of players for eternity and there's a reason why it needs a majority vote to get in or out, every individual chooses their own battles, their own reason to click the fight button. "Important" players get burned out and stop doing their jobs correctly after a couple of months to maximum a year depending on which goals they set for themselves.

Personal cults, a dictatorial feeling about who needs to be in charge and about how things should be done is holding the entire eWorld back. You need large babybooms to manage to change communities like the eUK who've fallen victim to a long dictatorial leadership. Because in essence "old" players will stick to their groups where new players will pick a group to join. If young leadership is nurtured the community as a whole will benefit. Change will occur when power shifts instead of leaving vacuum after eDeaths or eZombieness.

DC has members in every party who are loyal to said parties. Continuously arguing they're part of a political group that needs to be blocked from leadership isn't helping. The group managed to impose its approach to the game not because they work as a single entity but because they created a network of capable and willing players they can count on in times of need. They're not doing it different from you, they're doing it with a coat of marketing on top of it. Politics is constituted of very public offices and there are more players reading articles than you might believe. The sad part is, there are no "serious" players writing articles in the UK at the moment.
- For game statistics we rely on foreign media;
- For FA analysis we rely on foreign media;
- For economical analysis we rely on foreign media;
- For warfare analysis we rely on foreign media.

That just goes to show that as a new player there are things to do that others aren't doing. Once you get noticed by the public, leadership comes real fast in eRepublik.

Personally I let go of eBelgium after being part of its leading clan for more than a year. That doesn't mean I don't share my opinion with them, it does mean however that I leave it to them to make choices, letting room for people who wish to become a leader in that community to become one. Letting them have room to develop, to make their own mistakes because heavens know I made my own as well.

As a community you need to let everyone have the opportunity to lead or at least let them reach certain goals. If everyone achieves a little something, everyone will be happy. That doesn't mean you need to just let people get away with anything but cockblocking a proposal because you know it to be wrong from experience will lead to new players quitting. Waging personal wars over long past events will lead to new players quitting. Encouraging players to NOT play the actual game and stick to the metagame will lead to new players quitting. All of what precedes are mistakes I see happening in eRep all the time and the last one is truly specific to eRep.

In the end though, you need to understand that eRep is not a game you play on your own or with 3-4 people. If you want to have an impact; you need something to fight for, something people can rally for. It can be as interesting as "Unity" or as futile as "Banana". Both will gather a group of players that play with the theme but both also need catalyst members to make it a part of eRep history. Be the catalyst member, go out and have fun in this world.
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: paultyndale on February 20, 2015, 02:58:41 pm
Malkaiser
Yes I did take part in the NewEra ATO, not because I was TUP, but because I had, since the beginning, been a follower of Mr Woldy.  Now when Vendetta then formed and PTO'd TUP, I was one of the few to come and vote for Lord Farhan, the rest of the eUK simply chose to let TUP fall.  When jamesw gained the CP position and appeared (in the first few days) to be doing a good job, I actually thought I had got it wrong and that I had sided with the wrong group.  Fortunately any doubts were quickly dispelled and even if there were people in NewEra/Vendetta who had genuine issues, these were ignored, rightly or wrongly - guilt by association with jamesw and Dapper.

Nohjis
I agree with a lot of what you are saying. Leadership - none of us currently in TUP want to be leaders (or if they do it's the first I've heard about it :s) this is something Dapper has pointed out a few times.  I know Wayne says it would be boring if we all agreed, but surely allowing people to develop and evolve at their own pace in a pleasant and tranquil atmosphere would help us all?

Our primary battles should be outward toward foreign nations not toward each other, but that's the tone DC set!  Now, irrespective of personality the eUK thanks in no small measure to SerF and DC has secured economic benefits unparalleled in eUK history (though a redistribution of resources played a major part as well) but it is my view that this could be squandered if they continue being complete twats domestically and internationally!

The reason why I put option 3 of Goku's original choices above 4 is twofold.

1. if someone helps themselves to the treasury, that person can be isolated and we all move on, it can be a unifying force.  Problem was the last theft involved private money - an act which is beyond contempt (he's welcome to the treasury as far as I'm concerned).

2. DC give the clear impression that they are a semi-religious cult with the belief that their MU is as a political party, above all others - DC uber alles.   We see members constantly moving from party to party causing and leaving havoc in their wake.  If Wayne is UKPP, then be UKPP and so on - actually stand up and defend your party not act for your MU.  W.A.N.K. did not represent the party and could do nothing apart from harm UKPP - the issues since around BaronChris and LordLondon are a direct result of what Wayne did when he was their PP.

If you look at the other MU's several are attached to political parties, FBI, RAF, TUP Family, etc - fair enough no problem.  Others such as Royal Navy and 7th Cavalry are (so I understand) solely MU's.  The fact that VoodooMike is in RN has absolutely no bearing on his position within TUP - it's never mentioned and you would never know unless you checked.  Dougal the same - in fact I'm not even sure I know what 7th Cavalry does?  The only MU that causes any issues in eUK is DC, because all their members ever seem to talk about is DC, even when they are supposed to be in a party.  Believe you me if there genuinely were members of DC that would join in with respective political parties AND be loyal to those parties above their MU I would be delighted.  I would probably go as far as welcoming all 40 Congressmen as being in DC if they were 100% loyal to their parties and actually tried (for once) to act sensibly not like children.
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Sir Humphrey Appleby on February 20, 2015, 04:06:34 pm
# We had a group of people who got to the top by networking on IRC and lying about how well they did in some junior government post, they did little but go inactive or complain about their competitors (Appleby effect). So we usually had no vision of what we were doing next or acheiveing other than the next medal for the flavour of the month "personality".

# There has always been little effort to get your regular player interested in the game, very few government people tell the stories of what is happening with wars etc. They usually just spam some 70's references and in jokes nobody gets with a fake persona (Horace effect).

Like introducing the NHS initially out of my own pocket for example (edit: ty)

Strong personalities tend strong policies imo; just as your stench pushes all but yourself away...
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Nohjis on February 20, 2015, 06:41:12 pm
Paul,

Indeed, I haven't seen anyone in TUP willing to be a leader (personally I'ld burn out within 2 weeks). I see that as problematic because it leaves the party very vulnerable to hostile interference. I don't see Leo's actions so far as hostile interference but it's alien interference none the less. And it won't bring the positive drive he's looking for because of that fact.

1. Private money in orgs is putting it in a risky place, especially when problematic people get to the CP seat. I remember Keers withdrawing all his funds from orgs when certain people got to the CP seat.

2. My preferred organisation is the group of passengers on Banana Airlines and we don't even have a structure in game beyond a mass pm. You shouldn't impose a party as first and single possibility of primary loyalty. Most in DC will indeed put DC first and if you're constantly shunned by people who don't take the military part of the game as seriously as the political part of it, can you really blame them ?

3. Parties shouldn't have MUs and Communes to begin with. It's where part of the problem comes from. The moment you encapsule a player within a single group (s)he's incapable of creating a diverse network. Without a diverse network, the resulting behaviour will be fanatism. Fanatism always leads to conflict because when you're too attached to an identity, you will defend it even if it costs you your life and even when you know you're wrong.
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: paultyndale on February 20, 2015, 09:39:33 pm
I've put my further thoughts after each section within the quote

Paul,

Indeed, I haven't seen anyone in TUP willing to be a leader (personally I'ld burn out within 2 weeks). I see that as problematic because it leaves the party very vulnerable to hostile interference. I don't see Leo's actions so far as hostile interference but it's alien interference none the less. And it won't bring the positive drive he's looking for because of that fact.

It only became a problem when Leo refused to answer as to why he needed the PP other than stating it would be made clear later.  It was this and the fact he just arrived out of the blue, which set alarm bells ringing, not specifically the fact he was a member of DC.

1. Private money in orgs is putting it in a risky place, especially when problematic people get to the CP seat. I remember Keers withdrawing all his funds from orgs when certain people got to the CP seat.

With issues relating to this having recently been discussed in Congress, a public forum is not the place to discuss specifics

2. My preferred organisation is the group of passengers on Banana Airlines and we don't even have a structure in game beyond a mass pm. You shouldn't impose a party as first and single possibility of primary loyalty. Most in DC will indeed put DC first and if you're constantly shunned by people who don't take the military part of the game as seriously as the political part of it, can you really blame them ?

I struggle to understand this - Politics is for people to discuss politics by people who belong to political parties - as per the real world.  Short of countries where you have military rule (possibly following a coup) I don't get how a Military Unit can or should be able to influence political parties

referring back to the Royal Navy - It has members across the political parties and I can't recall anything where members of RN tried to influence the political direction of the country as a group - irrespective of their loyalty to their parties.

This has worked both ways.  KJ was undermined by certain people for being a member of Unity, when he made it crystal clear he was primarily a member of UKRP.  This is where MU should never come before Party in Politics - I wouldn't expect members of a political party to start interfering in the internal affairs of a MU and of course they can't.  You cannot elect the MU commanders the way you elect party PP and there's the problem.

3. Parties shouldn't have MUs and Communes to begin with. It's where part of the problem comes from. The moment you encapsule a player within a single group (s)he's incapable of creating a diverse network. Without a diverse network, the resulting behaviour will be fanatism. Fanatism always leads to conflict because when you're too attached to an identity, you will defend it even if it costs you your life and even when you know you're wrong.

Some members of TUP have stated they wish to be part of other MU's to gain different perspectives with other groups of people.  We did discuss moving TUP Family away from TUP to form a separate identity and maybe that needs to be reconsidered.  Maybe those of us (like myself) who have come later to the top of TUP have been more zealous in trying to defend it than those who were present at the time.

Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Malkaiser on February 20, 2015, 11:28:54 pm
# We had a group of people who got to the top by networking on IRC and lying about how well they did in some junior government post, they did little but go inactive or complain about their competitors (Appleby effect). So we usually had no vision of what we were doing next or acheiveing other than the next medal for the flavour of the month "personality".

# There has always been little effort to get your regular player interested in the game, very few government people tell the stories of what is happening with wars etc. They usually just spam some 70's references and in jokes nobody gets with a fake persona (Horace effect).

Like introducing the NHS initially out of my own pocket for example (edit: ty)

Strong personalities tend strong policies imo; just as your stench pushes all but yourself away...

NHS predates you...
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: WookieO on February 21, 2015, 12:58:18 am

2. DC give the clear impression that they are a semi-religious cult with the belief that their MU is as a political party, above all others - DC uber alles.   We see members constantly moving from party to party causing and leaving havoc in their wake.  If Wayne is UKPP, then be UKPP and so on - actually stand up and defend your party not act for your MU.  W.A.N.K. did not represent the party and could do nothing apart from harm UKPP - the issues since around BaronChris and LordLondon are a direct result of what Wayne did when he was their PP.

If you look at the other MU's several are attached to political parties, FBI, RAF, TUP Family, etc - fair enough no problem.  Others such as Royal Navy and 7th Cavalry are (so I understand) solely MU's.  The fact that VoodooMike is in RN has absolutely no bearing on his position within TUP - it's never mentioned and you would never know unless you checked.  Dougal the same - in fact I'm not even sure I know what 7th Cavalry does?  The only MU that causes any issues in eUK is DC, because all their members ever seem to talk about is DC, even when they are supposed to be in a party.  Believe you me if there genuinely were members of DC that would join in with respective political parties AND be loyal to those parties above their MU I would be delighted.  I would probably go as far as welcoming all 40 Congressmen as being in DC if they were 100% loyal to their parties and actually tried (for once) to act sensibly not like children.


Ahem.

As a fairly well known member of the Dental Corps I think you need to stop talking about "DC doing this" and "DC doing that" and recognise that most of our members are solid members of their respective political parties and although we talk a lot, that's what it is, talk. We play this game to have fun and so if we can take the blame/plaudits for something, we probably will.

Myself, Fataliix, Appleby, Butjam, RealAle and Argo are UKRPers and we are quite often found promoting our party, with barely the odd mention of DC.

Then you've got your long term UKPPers...Crispy, Mr Knee, Cerberus Dex, Feisty, sheek, Squizza and MadAsToast plus the dirty commies...Zaph and Commandante Ross.

Then there's the DC members like Frag, Shady, etc who don't give a flame grilled shite about politics and just fight.

We're not a big MU, that's most of us. Yeah sure, we've got Wayne...probably the loudest of all of us but as he tries telling you most of the time...not the voice of DC.

If you honestly think a 27 member MU, some of whom are not exactly taking an active role in the game these days (Appleby/Feisty/AC), can be responsible for a PTO of the largest political party in the eUK, then you're off your rocker.

Leo is one of the best chaps I've come across in this game and he's only taking the lead in TUP because as you and the rest of the party have admitted...nobody else wants to. Hence why he got so many votes from long term TUPsters. The TUP 2-clickers need leadership, it's been severely lacking for some time and you could do ever so much worse than Leo. In fact you almost did....George Hannover? Please.  (/_<)

Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: paultyndale on February 21, 2015, 01:50:17 am
WookieO
Ah, good points - well I'm always prepared to admit I'm wrong in the face of evidence to the contrary and as I said it's the impression I get even if it's not reality.

For some reason I've never been able to figure out several member of DC, either their comments or their articles in general - I'm not sure whether it's a cultural thing or what?  I like to get a handle on people so I know where they are coming from and I can't with so many in DC :(

e.g.
See for some reason (and I've never figured it out), Frag doesn't seem to like me and I don't know why?
ApronChef I have chatted with a few times and thought I was making progress, but this is a bit extreme - http://prntscr.com/67szpu
Zaph - um, well um?
And of course Wayne - now I don't know him in real life, but I just can't figure him out at all - I'm one of the retards who only figured out recently that it wasn't his real name and only then because I looked it up on google. 

You see I can't understand how people could create a different persona from their real self - it's not within my capacity, I am who I am therefore I take people as they are - I struggle to comprehend someone being a complete ass, unless they are one in real life.  This is why the eUK seems headed ever further down a road I cannot comprehend or follow.


The problem we had with Leo was this - http://prntscr.com/650tag
Of course him standing having parachuted in was an issue, but as I made absolutely clear to him in PM, we could support him if he would explain why he needed the PP position.  The question is still unanswered.

Now I note you've stated about so many votes from long term TUPsters, well there were several from DC as well, but according to my calculations we are looking at something in the region of an extra 30-35 votes above our usual turnout since last July! 

I'm sort of at a loss as to how so many people suddenly surfaced as a group and need change, what did Leo say to them that Madelina, Myself, VoodooMike and Bohemond a 2xCP didn't?  Whatever it was if it was that good, i'm puzzled he couldn't share it and get the rest of us to support it?
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Metapod on February 21, 2015, 11:12:40 am
suck ma balls
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Sir Humphrey Appleby on February 21, 2015, 11:23:29 am
# We had a group of people who got to the top by networking on IRC and lying about how well they did in some junior government post, they did little but go inactive or complain about their competitors (Appleby effect). So we usually had no vision of what we were doing next or acheiveing other than the next medal for the flavour of the month "personality".

# There has always been little effort to get your regular player interested in the game, very few government people tell the stories of what is happening with wars etc. They usually just spam some 70's references and in jokes nobody gets with a fake persona (Horace effect).

Like introducing the NHS initially out of my own pocket for example (edit: ty)

Strong personalities tend strong policies imo; just as your stench pushes all but yourself away...

NHS predates you...

nope, there was a private health scheme by dish back in the day but the NHS as we know it now was introduced back when I was MoF (I think Talon was CP)
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: gali2332 on February 21, 2015, 11:42:38 am
(http://i.imgur.com/qMEipQC.png)
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Diakun on February 21, 2015, 01:11:01 pm
twat off gali
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: gali2332 on February 21, 2015, 01:32:51 pm
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: ApronChef on February 21, 2015, 03:34:48 pm
How dare you bring me into this. I'm innocent of all charges!
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Malkaiser on February 21, 2015, 03:50:09 pm
# We had a group of people who got to the top by networking on IRC and lying about how well they did in some junior government post, they did little but go inactive or complain about their competitors (Appleby effect). So we usually had no vision of what we were doing next or acheiveing other than the next medal for the flavour of the month "personality".

# There has always been little effort to get your regular player interested in the game, very few government people tell the stories of what is happening with wars etc. They usually just spam some 70's references and in jokes nobody gets with a fake persona (Horace effect).

Like introducing the NHS initially out of my own pocket for example (edit: ty)

Strong personalities tend strong policies imo; just as your stench pushes all but yourself away...

NHS predates you...

nope, there was a private health scheme by dish back in the day but the NHS as we know it now was introduced back when I was MoF (I think Talon was CP)
The NHS was operational in March 2009 when I started playing. A quick wiki search actually lists Janurary 2008 as the start date.

What has happened is that it was most likely temporarily diabanded due to inactivity, funding shotage or org changes. Then someone put you in charge of bringing it back/reforming it, and now you think that you are Clement Atlee and invented the entire concept. You didn't.

I'm sure we all appreciate your alliviating the massive oversupply of worthless food by donating it to people who had already quit or were too dumb to find the marketplace.
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Sir Humphrey Appleby on February 21, 2015, 04:40:30 pm
that it was most likely temporarily diabanded due to inactivity, funding shotage or org changes. Then someone put you in charge of bringing it back/reforming it, and now you think that you are Clement Atlee and invented the entire concept. You didn't.

I'm sure we all appreciate your alliviating the massive oversupply of worthless food by donating it to people who had already quit or were too dumb to find the marketplace.

Dish's healthcare scheme had to be abandoned because it became unaffordable for the eUK exchequer rather than activity-problems as you guessed. The NHS was personally kickstarted during the random babyboom initially by me alone and then the taxpayer when it got big enough (~80 people enrolled I think).

It cost a small fortune but it was hardly wasted money. Instead of people quitting or being too dumb to find the marketplace we ensured players like Frag got through the hardest part of the game and retained to literally become the biggest tank in the country

In any case we are all still wondering what your biggest achievement here is beyond a 23rd ghastly reincarnation :3
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Wayne on February 21, 2015, 05:00:57 pm
Let me explain something to you Paul, Nohjis and Wook have done an excellent job of it so far, but you may find it easier to understand from the horses mouth so to speak.

As Nohjis correctly stated, DC have done and do nothing that no body else can't do.  The power of DC is inside every single player.  I've explained this time and time again.  The reason we have the stature we have in eUK, is due to two things.  Good game mechanic knowledge and activeness.  Nothing that reading, asking questions and spending some spare time in game wouldn't solve.  It's exactly how I did it and I'm pretty sure it's what most of DC did as newbs.

Go back and read past DC articles, our style hasn't changed.  We still call a spoon a spoon and a spade a spade.  Do something stupid and we'll let you know, impress us and we'll praise you.  All of DC have been long term members of this community, all with a rich and varied history.  Most of us have been involved in party politics since before DC was even formed.  Most of us were very successful in the political arena.  We are just a group of people with good social skills and decent game knowledge.  Everything that DC has become is because you have put that label on us.  As Nohjis termed it our 'marketing' has been better than anybody elses in the eUK for a long time and as WookieO correctly stated, we did nothing to dispel the myth, in fact at times we actively encouraged it.  The only reason you see us as being dictatorial leaders of the eUK is because we are not afraid to air our opinions just in case the eUK doesn't agree with em.  We are confident in our abilities to read people and situations and react accordingly.  Maybe it's a age thing.  I'd be fairly confident that our average age is higher than most other groups in the eUK.

As for issues and not joining in with political parties... what the hell are you talking about?  UKRP would be dead in the water if it wasn't for the DC boys providing the drive and the fun.  I, along with a number of DCers (seeing as were pretty much an RN splinter group at creation)  past and present, took UKPP from a party despised by the rest of the eUK, a party that totally went against the grain of the political scene at the time, to a party that is a mainstay of the eUK political spectrum and a party that has done more to change the eUK for the better in the past 2 years than any other.  Past and present members have kept PCP alive for he past two years, the Acroc's, Zaphod's and ya Kierans.  The only parties we have never really been historically connected to is TUP, although we did have Alice and Talon used to be a daily regular in our chatroom, and WRP.  Which doesn't surprise me, both of em are boring as flower.  So I really can't see where you can claim we haven't got involved in the party politics of the game.  We've been the heart and soul of most of the Top 5 at one point or another in our eRep careers. 

Maybe we that good at running MU's and leading parties, that our individual successes are seen as being collective DC successes.  Then again, eUK has a habit of turning on people who are deemed as being successful.  Name a bad CP that has damaged the eUK that resides in Dental Corps (no points for sayin Appleby)?  You can't, because we have all been successful and acted with dignity, grace and skill when have been elected to the big seat. We have as many supporters as we have haters.  I'll take that.

As for myself, I'm far from the puppet master you lot claim me to be.  Those inside DC or those that have worked with me on other things know the truth and we all find it highly amusing that I'm seen as being such a 'good' player.  There is nothing special about what I do, I do very little.  I read the media, talk shit with people on IRC and comment on some articles.  It's nothing that you or anybody else can't do as well.


















... and the fact you have been google stalking me is slightly worrying!  Are you some kind of weirdo?  I thought only people like Chaz did that.
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Malkaiser on February 21, 2015, 05:05:45 pm
that it was most likely temporarily diabanded due to inactivity, funding shotage or org changes. Then someone put you in charge of bringing it back/reforming it, and now you think that you are Clement Atlee and invented the entire concept. You didn't.

I'm sure we all appreciate your alliviating the massive oversupply of worthless food by donating it to people who had already quit or were too dumb to find the marketplace.

Dish's healthcare scheme had to be abandoned because it became unaffordable for the eUK exchequer rather than activity-problems as you guessed. The NHS was personally kickstarted during the random babyboom initially by me alone and then the taxpayer when it got big enough (~80 people enrolled I think).

It cost a small fortune but it was hardly wasted money. Instead of people quitting or being too dumb to find the marketplace we ensured players like Frag got through the hardest part of the game and retained to literally become the biggest tank in the country

In any case we are all still wondering what your biggest achievement here is beyond a 23rd ghastly reincarnation :3

Yes, clicking "Market" and buying worthless food sure is hard :)

Why did you use the word "exchequer" and why is logging in a "new reincarnation"? Have you never logged out lol?
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Karacticus on February 22, 2015, 07:40:33 pm
I find Wayne to be a very polite young man. He is always very well behaved within TRS.

There are only so many times you can do the same things differently in Erep - that's why people stop playing actively.
I still log in every day and check the media and such like but I can't be arsed with IRC and the like.

DC keep things interesting.
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Nohjis on February 23, 2015, 04:45:37 pm
Yes, clicking "Market" and buying worthless food sure is hard :)

Is it because you want to set up a scheme to lure new players into whatever you're working on that you try to convince others that a scheme to help out new players (however little it may be worth at this time) is futile ? Even if it's just reducing their costs for 10cc a day, it would still be worthwile.

Beyond food, the most important part of programs like the NHS is providing contact with other players. There is a reason these type of programs exist in a lot of different eCountries, the reason is that they prove to be usefull.
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Wayne on February 23, 2015, 08:14:36 pm
I find Wayne to be a very polite young man. He is always very well behaved within TRS.

There are only so many times you can do the same things differently in Erep - that's why people stop playing actively.
I still log in every day and check the media and such like but I can't be arsed with IRC and the like.

DC keep things interesting.

I like you too Karacticus!
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: VoodooMike71 on February 27, 2015, 02:38:55 pm
Let me explain something to you Paul...

(long explanation)

...It's nothing that you or anybody else can't do as well.

Your explanation was excellent, and if it were true it would more than cover the suspicions and criticisms when it comes to DC.

However, I simply don't believe that there isn't a DC agenda, which only DC (and perhaps a few select 'outsiders') are party to. I accept that several DC members (like Wook etc) are loyal to their party and - politically speaking - work for their party rather than DC. However, it's clear that - on occasion - DC act collectively in the politics module. At one end of the scale it may be moving around, en masse, during elections to affect outcomes. At the other end you have - as you admitted yourself - examples of DC moving in to 'save' parties from themselves. And while the intentions may (sometimes) be noble, the fact remains that this is an MU moving collectively in the political arena. That is undemocratic.

At no time is DC's influence more obvious than in some CP elections. It's clear - despite your denials - that DC often have a favoured candidate. And it's equally clear that DC members will back that candidate accordingly, unless their party loyalty contradicts it. We can argue about whether this is right or wrong, or whether it constitutes you or someone else being a puppet master (at this level, I genuinely don't think it does). But you are being naive if you disregard the fact that, as well as there being a core of floating DC members who attempt to influence elections, there is also a sizeable number of DC wannabees and hangers-on who will pretty much blindly follow DCs lead. I think that you know that. And I think that you count on that. UK elections typically involve a total of 250-350 votes. If DC can wield ... say ... 30-40 (or more) votes through its members and supporters acting on the DC agenda, that is a significant percentage of the electorate. The wannabees don't have to know what the agenda is, you just need them to support your call (which you put out, so effectively, through articles etc).

So, there's an agenda. You're not stupid or naive enough to underestimate the following you attract. You're not stupid or naive enough to fail to use that following. And that is EXACTLY why I (and presumably others) criticise you.

I don't really believe that you are a puppet master, and I don't for a moment think that DC huddles in a secret room and agrees to do whatever Wayne says. However, I do think that there is a core of DC members (maybe 10, 15, perhaps even 20 members) with no strong party loyalty and with a shared desire to exert influence over the eUK in line with their shared agenda. I also believe that this core of DC members know only too well that they have enough supporters outside of DC to help them do this.



Incidentally, you can take all this pretty much as a compliment - assuming that it's true. If I've got it all wrong then clearly you lot are idiots for making it look like you have power, and getting yourselves into a position where you can exert that power, when actually that's not what you're doing.
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Metapod on February 27, 2015, 04:36:56 pm
Let me explain something to you Paul...

(long explanation)

...It's nothing that you or anybody else can't do as well.

Your explanation was excellent, and if it were true it would more than cover the suspicions and criticisms when it comes to DC.

However, I simply don't believe that there isn't a DC agenda, which only DC (and perhaps a few select 'outsiders') are party to. I accept that several DC members (like Wook etc) are loyal to their party and - politically speaking - work for their party rather than DC. However, it's clear that - on occasion - DC act collectively in the politics module. At one end of the scale it may be moving around, en masse, during elections to affect outcomes. At the other end you have - as you admitted yourself - examples of DC moving in to 'save' parties from themselves. And while the intentions may (sometimes) be noble, the fact remains that this is an MU moving collectively in the political arena. That is undemocratic.

At no time is DC's influence more obvious than in some CP elections. It's clear - despite your denials - that DC often have a favoured candidate. And it's equally clear that DC members will back that candidate accordingly, unless their party loyalty contradicts it. We can argue about whether this is right or wrong, or whether it constitutes you or someone else being a puppet master (at this level, I genuinely don't think it does). But you are being naive if you disregard the fact that, as well as there being a core of floating DC members who attempt to influence elections, there is also a sizeable number of DC wannabees and hangers-on who will pretty much blindly follow DCs lead. I think that you know that. And I think that you count on that. UK elections typically involve a total of 250-350 votes. If DC can wield ... say ... 30-40 (or more) votes through its members and supporters acting on the DC agenda, that is a significant percentage of the electorate. The wannabees don't have to know what the agenda is, you just need them to support your call (which you put out, so effectively, through articles etc).

So, there's an agenda. You're not stupid or naive enough to underestimate the following you attract. You're not stupid or naive enough to fail to use that following. And that is EXACTLY why I (and presumably others) criticise you.

I don't really believe that you are a puppet master, and I don't for a moment think that DC huddles in a secret room and agrees to do whatever Wayne says. However, I do think that there is a core of DC members (maybe 10, 15, perhaps even 20 members) with no strong party loyalty and with a shared desire to exert influence over the eUK in line with their shared agenda. I also believe that this core of DC members know only too well that they have enough supporters outside of DC to help them do this.



Incidentally, you can take all this pretty much as a compliment - assuming that it's true. If I've got it all wrong then clearly you lot are idiots for making it look like you have power, and getting yourselves into a position where you can exert that power, when actually that's not what you're doing.

he has fallen straight into our trap
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Wayne on February 27, 2015, 04:40:34 pm
Let me explain something to you Paul...

(long explanation)

...It's nothing that you or anybody else can't do as well.

Your explanation was excellent, and if it were true it would more than cover the suspicions and criticisms when it comes to DC.

However, I simply don't believe that there isn't a DC agenda, which only DC (and perhaps a few select 'outsiders') are party to. I accept that several DC members (like Wook etc) are loyal to their party and - politically speaking - work for their party rather than DC. However, it's clear that - on occasion - DC act collectively in the politics module. At one end of the scale it may be moving around, en masse, during elections to affect outcomes. At the other end you have - as you admitted yourself - examples of DC moving in to 'save' parties from themselves. And while the intentions may (sometimes) be noble, the fact remains that this is an MU moving collectively in the political arena. That is undemocratic.

It's no less democratic than any other group of friends participating in the elections.  We all have to vote according to the game mechanics Plato has set.

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At no time is DC's influence more obvious than in some CP elections. It's clear - despite your denials - that DC often have a favoured candidate. And it's equally clear that DC members will back that candidate accordingly, unless their party loyalty contradicts it. We can argue about whether this is right or wrong, or whether it constitutes you or someone else being a puppet master (at this level, I genuinely don't think it does). But you are being naive if you disregard the fact that, as well as there being a core of floating DC members who attempt to influence elections, there is also a sizeable number of DC wannabees and hangers-on who will pretty much blindly follow DCs lead. I think that you know that. And I think that you count on that. UK elections typically involve a total of 250-350 votes. If DC can wield ... say ... 30-40 (or more) votes through its members and supporters acting on the DC agenda, that is a significant percentage of the electorate. The wannabees don't have to know what the agenda is, you just need them to support your call (which you put out, so effectively, through articles etc).

Rather than stating DC as a blanket term, why not give us names of these people you class as being 'floating' members.  Lets have some names.

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So, there's an agenda. You're not stupid or naive enough to underestimate the following you attract. You're not stupid or naive enough to fail to use that following. And that is EXACTLY why I (and presumably others) criticise you.

I don't really believe that you are a puppet master, and I don't for a moment think that DC huddles in a secret room and agrees to do whatever Wayne says. However, I do think that there is a core of DC members (maybe 10, 15, perhaps even 20 members) with no strong party loyalty and with a shared desire to exert influence over the eUK in line with their shared agenda. I also believe that this core of DC members know only too well that they have enough supporters outside of DC to help them do this.

Our agenda has never changed from day one.  I'll spell it out for you, nice and simple, seeing as every other time we've said it you have all disregarded it.

F O R        S H I T S       AND       GIGGLES!

The fact that this 'attracts' a following I'm not surprised at.  Why would anybody spend time playing if they didn't.

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Incidentally, you can take all this pretty much as a compliment - assuming that it's true. If I've got it all wrong then clearly you lot are idiots for making it look like you have power, and getting yourselves into a position where you can exert that power, when actually that's not what you're doing.


We are not the idiots 'for making it look like you have power, and getting yourselves into a position where you can exert that power', you lot are the idiots for allowing it to happen.
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Ser Fartsalot on February 27, 2015, 10:49:07 pm
The only reason why Paul and Nohjis agree on almost everything is... because they are both Unity material.
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: paultyndale on February 27, 2015, 11:29:13 pm
The only reason why Paul and Nohjis agree on almost everything is... because they are both Unity material.

Well that certainly is praise indeed - i'm flattered.

In fact we are currently in disagreement on the current political situation in eUK, but it does not mean that after appropriate discussion and consideration we will not be in firm agreement.
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Malkaiser on February 27, 2015, 11:58:12 pm
TLDR is:

TUP exploited a cross party group of friends in DC to destroy their competitors and denied any connection with them, then gave the TUP ones CP and PP months later without an apology. Then TUP are butthurt when DC turns out to be a more cohesive group than they are after all of he eNightmare fuel given to them, finally turning their sights on and taking over TUP.
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: paultyndale on February 28, 2015, 12:50:15 am
TLDR is:

TUP exploited a cross party group of friends in DC to destroy their competitors and denied any connection with them, then gave the TUP ones CP and PP months later without an apology. Then TUP are butthurt when DC turns out to be a more cohesive group than they are after all of he eNightmare fuel given to them, finally turning their sights on and taking over TUP.

Well for the first part of this, I have no idea what you are talking about and in any case it had nothing to do with me.
Second we are awaiting real leadership from DC.  We in TUP were looking forward to working with Leo as PP, but he did nothing and has resigned without statement or seemingly reason.  So our only interpretation can be he never really intended to do anything and this was exactly what we said it was in the beginning a full DC PTO. 
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Malkaiser on February 28, 2015, 02:53:32 pm
TLDR is:

TUP exploited a cross party group of friends in DC to destroy their competitors and denied any connection with them, then gave the TUP ones CP and PP months later without an apology. Then TUP are butthurt when DC turns out to be a more cohesive group than they are after all of he eNightmare fuel given to them, finally turning their sights on and taking over TUP.

Well for the first part of this, I have no idea what you are talking about and in any case it had nothing to do with me.
Second we are awaiting real leadership from DC.  We in TUP were looking forward to working with Leo as PP, but he did nothing and has resigned without statement or seemingly reason.  So our only interpretation can be he never really intended to do anything and this was exactly what we said it was in the beginning a full DC PTO. 

DC started out as an arms length TUP PTO group to take out UKPP because they overtook them in power, together with some UKPP players who wanted to get rid of half of the memebership they didn't like.
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Dan Moir on February 28, 2015, 02:57:44 pm
DC started out as an arms length TUP PTO group

No they didn't you fucking moron.  You really do just make shit up and pass it off as fact depending what agenda you have on any particular day.
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Wayne on February 28, 2015, 04:26:53 pm
Well from what I've read Paul, none of you but Madelina gave Leo the time of day, no wonder he cut his losses.

and LOL Goku, do you just make shit up?  DC started out as a Royal Navy splinter group...  The first 15 members were purely UKPP!  But hey, facts make for a shit story, ammaright!
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: RodneyMcKay on February 28, 2015, 05:41:01 pm
Well from what I've read Paul, none of you but Madelina gave Leo the time of day, no wonder he cut his losses.

and LOL Goku, do you just make shit up?  DC started out as a Royal Navy splinter group...  The first 15 members were purely UKPP!  But hey, facts make for a shit story, ammaright!

I did offer Leo my help on a few occasions. I understand his reaction tbh. 
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: paultyndale on February 28, 2015, 06:39:18 pm
Well actually I think Leo has a great way of putting things  :D

http://prntscr.com/6b02ns
http://prntscr.com/6b02w7

Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Malkaiser on February 28, 2015, 08:14:25 pm
DC started out as an arms length TUP PTO group

No they didn't you fucking moron.  You really do just make shit up and pass it off as fact depending what agenda you have on any particular day.

Some of DC were UKPP members and the TUP ones were either multiaccounts or had been out of the country or something so didn't have a strong association with TUP anymore - this gave you plausible deniability which you use even today. However mwcerberus and invalidation eventually rejoining TUP and being official PP and CP candidates is a matter of fact and you can look it up in game. Maybe I am a moron, maybe you did run UKPP members for your PP and CP haha.

These players took over UKPP and trolled out half of their players, this suited the UKPP DCers who got rid of their internal competitors and the TUP DCers who got their party back in power. At some point they all realised that they liked DC and working together better than TUP or UKPP so TUP then became a target just like UKPP had been.
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Diakun on February 28, 2015, 08:31:44 pm
i think goku is right guys, wayne's masterful underhanded strategic brilliance in unrivaled
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Wayne on March 01, 2015, 02:48:41 am
i think goku is right guys, wayne's masterful underhanded strategic brilliance in unrivaled

I agree.
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: ApronChef on March 01, 2015, 08:38:15 pm
i think goku is right guys, wayne's masterful underhanded strategic brilliance in unrivaled

I agree.

Should have just called us Wayne 1, Wayne 2, Wayne 3 etc.
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: The Baron Samedi on March 01, 2015, 11:20:21 pm
Reading all this, I actually logged in to check if DC was still as small as I remembered.
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Wayne on March 02, 2015, 07:19:20 pm
Reading all this, I actually logged in to check if DC was still as small as I remembered.

Its quality not quantity, Baron...
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Sir Humphrey Appleby on March 02, 2015, 07:47:40 pm
(http://www.stvincent.ac.uk/Heritage/1797/Victory/images/stern.jpg)
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: CrispyDragon on March 03, 2015, 12:38:52 pm
TUP should be ashamed of itself for forcing a hardworking, genuine and generally swell guy out of the party.

The Unity Party? Yeah right.

Might as well be The Ugly party.



Yeah, burn! Have some of that you foul oafs!

Seriously tho, you guys suck.
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: VoodooMike71 on March 04, 2015, 12:52:41 am
Oh do shut up.
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: ApronChef on March 04, 2015, 01:20:05 pm
Oh do shut up.

Upset that you ugly?
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: VoodooMike71 on March 04, 2015, 02:09:53 pm
In English please.
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: ApronChef on March 04, 2015, 03:22:55 pm
In English please.

You. Is. Ugly.
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: CrispyDragon on March 04, 2015, 05:32:56 pm
Sure are a bitter person Voodoomike.

It's people like you that ruin the experience of others.
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Wayne on March 04, 2015, 06:59:58 pm
Voodoo is just a troll...
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: VoodooMike71 on March 05, 2015, 12:27:24 am
Less of the "just" please. I consider myself to be an accomplished troll.
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: paultyndale on March 05, 2015, 01:11:26 am
Sure are a bitter person Voodoomike.

All the more reason why I prefer cider  :lol:
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Metapod on March 05, 2015, 08:11:58 am
Sure are a bitter person Voodoomike.

All the more reason why I prefer cider  :lol:

ah, so you're 14
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Diakun on March 05, 2015, 08:59:23 am
stfu zapcunt
cider is great
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: CrispyDragon on March 05, 2015, 11:20:11 am
Gonna have to agree there.

My drink of choice is Cider.
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: VoodooMike71 on March 05, 2015, 11:29:55 am
Sure are a bitter person Voodoomike.

It's people like you that ruin the experience of others.

(http://www.facepalm.su/wp-content/gallery/double-facepalm-2/baracus_facepalm.gif)
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: CrispyDragon on March 05, 2015, 04:19:09 pm
Is this one of those 'I must have the last word' moments? Cause it took you two posts and nearly 12 hours to find a 2/10 picture...
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Sir Humphrey Appleby on March 05, 2015, 04:49:04 pm
I'll have the last word if its still available
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: gali2332 on March 05, 2015, 04:58:51 pm
No thnx m8.
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: paultyndale on March 05, 2015, 05:17:21 pm
ah, so you're 14

close, but no cigar - try reversing the numbers
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: ApronChef on March 05, 2015, 05:25:02 pm
ah, so you're 14

close, but no cigar - try reversing the numbers

So you prey on small children?
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: VoodooMike71 on March 05, 2015, 06:52:28 pm
Is this one of those 'I must have the last word' moments? Cause it took you two posts and nearly 12 hours to find a 2/10 picture...

No.

(see what I did there?)
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: paultyndale on March 05, 2015, 07:02:04 pm
ah, so you're 14

close, but no cigar - try reversing the numbers

So you prey on small children?

or large children - i'm not fussy  :lol:
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Wayne on March 05, 2015, 07:51:29 pm
Paul confirmed as Goku...
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: paultyndale on March 05, 2015, 07:56:04 pm
Paul confirmed as Goku...

or, in other news - Wayne is a Wayne multi
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Wayne on March 05, 2015, 08:58:32 pm
kiddie fiddler
Title: Re: New Baloney Rules for eUK Rizon channel
Post by: Diakun on March 05, 2015, 10:18:04 pm
me fiddles wayne