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Ares989

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Re: Relic - Presidential Manifesto
« Reply #20 on: January 01, 2009, 09:06:41 pm »
I have a question for Relic, or whoever there is who can answer me this : in Relics manifesto he says all workers have a right to a fair wage, which is true. As well as all General Managers deserve a right to a profit. How do you intend to do both? if you give all workers a fair wage then there will be no profit within the company. if you give the GM a profit then your workers are not being paid very well. See my point?
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Re: Relic - Presidential Manifesto
« Reply #21 on: January 01, 2009, 09:08:27 pm »
No, because people can still make a profit and the labourers can still make money, it happens in real life
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Re: Relic - Presidential Manifesto
« Reply #22 on: January 01, 2009, 09:10:52 pm »
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I have a question for Relic, or whoever there is who can answer me this : in Relics manifesto he says all workers have a right to a fair wage, which is true. As well as all General Managers deserve a right to a profit. How do you intend to do both? if you give all workers a fair wage then there will be no profit within the company. if you give the GM a profit then your workers are not being paid very well. See my point?

I believe its called high prices.
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Hassan Pesearn

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Re: Relic - Presidential Manifesto
« Reply #23 on: January 01, 2009, 09:11:13 pm »
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OK I will put it another way,

Is Relic merely nothing more than an acceptable to vote for, less Partisan figure head for your own campaign?

All the spiel and avatars says Relic yet all I see and read is someone else, a lot of it being your good self.

Ill try and answer this one:

PCP always have, and will, run a very effective campaign because we are a Party we experience, ideas and ideals. It takes more than one man to run a campaign, it takes the whole party. Relic is the BEST candidate PCP have at the moment, and he is the one who wrote the manifesto; the Party simply added our ideas and as such the manifesto was edited to everyone's approval.

We have to remember that when we're eleceted a President, we cannot expect him to be doing everything, that'd be infeasable; we're electing a President who will choose the Cabinet and the people around him as well as be the one who makes big calls and has the final word. Relic has the ability to do both these things; he is the quintessential leader

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Ares989

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Re: Relic - Presidential Manifesto
« Reply #24 on: January 01, 2009, 09:14:13 pm »
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I have a question for Relic, or whoever there is who can answer me this : in Relics manifesto he says all workers have a right to a fair wage, which is true. As well as all General Managers deserve a right to a profit. How do you intend to do both? if you give all workers a fair wage then there will be no profit within the company. if you give the GM a profit then your workers are not being paid very well. See my point?

I believe its called high prices.


But then high prices means the wage you gave your workers dosnt cover the amount of money needed to buy the product.

"No, because people can still make a profit and the labourers can still make money, it happens in real life,"

How does that work? you still need the perfect balance.
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Ip Lockard

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Re: Relic - Presidential Manifesto
« Reply #25 on: January 01, 2009, 09:17:05 pm »
Quote from: "Ares989"
I have a question for Relic, or whoever there is who can answer me this : in Relics manifesto he says all workers have a right to a fair wage, which is true. As well as all General Managers deserve a right to a profit. How do you intend to do both? if you give all workers a fair wage then there will be no profit within the company. if you give the GM a profit then your workers are not being paid very well. See my point?

Company groups such as APE, Aurum, WI, etc. all seem to manage it.
Profits need to be encouraged, but controlled.
Problems that we're seeing are because some companies think it's ok to markup by 200% because there's no supply.
APE and Aurum arms as an example, both supplied Q4 weapons at roughly the same price at the start of the war as at the end. (and no doubt both where making a decent amount at the time)
This is what should be encouraged.

If you think that you can't balance a good wage with a profit, I'd beg to differ.
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Ares989

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Re: Relic - Presidential Manifesto
« Reply #26 on: January 01, 2009, 09:19:10 pm »
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I have a question for Relic, or whoever there is who can answer me this : in Relics manifesto he says all workers have a right to a fair wage, which is true. As well as all General Managers deserve a right to a profit. How do you intend to do both? if you give all workers a fair wage then there will be no profit within the company. if you give the GM a profit then your workers are not being paid very well. See my point?

Company groups such as APE, Aurum, WI, etc. all seem to manage it.
Profits need to be encouraged, but controlled.
Problems that we're seeing are because some companies think it's ok to markup by 200% because there's no supply.
APE and Aurum arms as an example, both supplied Q4 weapons at roughly the same price at the start of the war as at the end. (and no doubt both where making a decent amount at the time)
This is what should be encouraged.

If you think that you can't balance a good wage with a profit, I'd beg to differ.


I can never seem to figure out how. But my main question is how will Relic change these things?
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Hassan Pesearn

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Re: Relic - Presidential Manifesto
« Reply #27 on: January 01, 2009, 09:20:07 pm »
Read the manifesto again ;)

Its all about setting guidelines and actively encouraging the use of them. Obviously we cant FORCE people, but we will explain why it will benefit them as well as the country and economy

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Ares989

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Re: Relic - Presidential Manifesto
« Reply #28 on: January 01, 2009, 09:20:17 pm »
ok then.
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Ip Lockard

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Re: Relic - Presidential Manifesto
« Reply #29 on: January 01, 2009, 09:24:11 pm »
Quote from: "Ares989"
I can never seem to figure out how. But my main question is how will Relic change these things?

RRP is one step down the road towards showing people what things 'should' be costing at current.
If everyone knows that something's a ripoff, they wont buy it.
This is the 'kind' way to try and prevent profiteering - by showing the consumers how to stick it to the company owners.

Incorporating this into Government schemes that buy from the open market again lets our NHS and Military (who both have a massive spending power on the market) 'reward' those who price more reasonably, whilst shunning those who are out for a quick buck.
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Tamas Dzsudzsak

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Re: Relic - Presidential Manifesto
« Reply #30 on: January 01, 2009, 09:26:47 pm »
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OK I will put it another way,

Is Relic merely nothing more than an acceptable to vote for, less Partisan figure head for your own campaign?

All the spiel and avatars says Relic yet all I see and read is someone else, a lot of it being your good self.

Ill try and answer this one:

PCP always have, and will, run a very effective campaign because we are a Party we experience, ideas and ideals. It takes more than one man to run a campaign, it takes the whole party. Relic is the BEST candidate PCP have at the moment, and he is the one who wrote the manifesto; the Party simply added our ideas and as such the manifesto was edited to everyone's approval.

We have to remember that when we're eleceted a President, we cannot expect him to be doing everything, that'd be infeasable; we're electing a President who will choose the Cabinet and the people around him as well as be the one who makes big calls and has the final word. Relic has the ability to do both these things; he is the quintessential leader

Am I to presume thats a yes, Relic is a 'fluffy' and acceptable figure head for the less than 'fluffy' and acceptable engine room of the PCP?

rastari

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Re: Relic - Presidential Manifesto
« Reply #31 on: January 01, 2009, 09:27:50 pm »
relic'sa hard core communist hardly fluffy
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Re: Relic - Presidential Manifesto
« Reply #32 on: January 01, 2009, 09:41:57 pm »
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Read the manifesto again ;)

Its all about setting guidelines and actively encouraging the use of them. Obviously we cant FORCE people, but we will explain why it will benefit them as well as the country and economy
That's all well and good, but will a GM whose only goal is to make as much profit as is possible really care about the economy. I don't think so. Whilst good GMs will care about how their descisions affect the economy and consumers, not all GMs are good GMs.
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Re: Relic - Presidential Manifesto
« Reply #33 on: January 01, 2009, 09:54:10 pm »
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Quote from: "Ares989"
I have a question for Relic, or whoever there is who can answer me this : in Relics manifesto he says all workers have a right to a fair wage, which is true. As well as all General Managers deserve a right to a profit. How do you intend to do both? if you give all workers a fair wage then there will be no profit within the company. if you give the GM a profit then your workers are not being paid very well. See my point?

I believe its called high prices.

Every worker should have the right to a fair wage.
-Every citizen should have the right to buy fairly priced goods.
-Every company manager should have the right to make a profit.

So close, yet so far.

And I found a typo in the Manifesto:
Quote
Relic will continue to encourage recruitment into the military through the MoD
He refers to himself in the 3rd person? (Hassan said he wrote the manifesto after all)
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Tamas Dzsudzsak

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Re: Relic - Presidential Manifesto
« Reply #34 on: January 01, 2009, 09:56:39 pm »
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relic'sa hard core communist hardly fluffy

But he is, and with all due respect, still more user friendly than a person who fights against his own country, someone who invents government positions for himself and comes up with the idea of extra legislative bodies to try and grab some sort of power for the party, a political turncoat and a few cloak and dagger merchants.

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Re: Relic - Presidential Manifesto
« Reply #35 on: January 01, 2009, 10:03:53 pm »
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I have a question for Relic, or whoever there is who can answer me this : in Relics manifesto he says all workers have a right to a fair wage, which is true. As well as all General Managers deserve a right to a profit. How do you intend to do both? if you give all workers a fair wage then there will be no profit within the company. if you give the GM a profit then your workers are not being paid very well. See my point?

I believe its called high prices.

Every worker should have the right to a fair wage.
-Every citizen should have the right to buy fairly priced goods.
-Every company manager should have the right to make a profit.

So close, yet so far.

And I found a typo in the Manifesto:
Quote
Relic will continue to encourage recruitment into the military through the MoD
He refers to himself in the 3rd person? (Hassan said he wrote the manifesto after all)

When did I ever say I wrote the manifesto? O_O

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Re: Relic - Presidential Manifesto
« Reply #36 on: January 01, 2009, 10:04:00 pm »
Quote from: "Tamas Dzsudzsak"
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relic'sa hard core communist hardly fluffy

But he is, and with all due respect, still more user friendly than a person who fights against his own country, someone who invents government positions for himself and comes up with the idea of extra legislative bodies to try and grab some sort of power for the party, a political turncoat and a few cloak and dagger merchants.

Wut?!
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Re: Relic - Presidential Manifesto
« Reply #37 on: January 01, 2009, 10:05:05 pm »
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And I found a typo in the Manifesto:
Quote
Relic will continue to encourage recruitment into the military through the MoD
He refers to himself in the 3rd person? (Hassan said he wrote the manifesto after all)

All great politicians do that at one point or another. Bob Dole, for example. It's a sign of great intelligence :P
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rastari

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Re: Relic - Presidential Manifesto
« Reply #38 on: January 01, 2009, 10:09:04 pm »
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Quote from: "rastari"
relic'sa hard core communist hardly fluffy

But he is, and with all due respect, still more user friendly than a person who fights against his own country, someone who invents government positions for himself and comes up with the idea of extra legislative bodies to try and grab some sort of power for the party, a political turncoat and a few cloak and dagger merchants.

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Re: Relic - Presidential Manifesto
« Reply #39 on: January 01, 2009, 10:13:12 pm »
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