Climate Change

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Which of these statements is closest to your view?

Climate change is happening and is now established as largely man-made
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Climate change is happening but is not yet proven to be largely man-made
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Climate change is happening but it is environmentalist propaganda that it is man-made
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Climate change is not happening
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Climate Change

Postby johnobrow » Fri Feb 05, 2010 7:28:05 pm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8500443.stm

Climate scepticism 'on the rise', BBC poll shows

There has been an increase in the number of British people who are sceptical about climate change, a poll commissioned by BBC News has suggested.

It showed that 25% of those questioned did not think global warming was happening, an increase of 10% since a similar poll was conducted in November.

The percentage of respondents who said climate change was a reality had fallen from 83% in November to 75%.

The poll, based on a sample group of 1,001 adults, was conducted by Populus.

The findings, based on interviews carried out on 3-4 February, show that only 26% of people think "climate change is happening and is now established as largely man-made", only 1% more than those who think there is no global warming.

In November 2009, a similar poll by Populus - commissioned by the Times newspaper - showed that 41% agreed that climate change was happening and it was largely the result of human activities.

"It is very unusual indeed to see such a dramatic shift in opinion in such a short period," Populus managing director Michael Simmonds told BBC News.

"The British public are sceptical about man's contribution to climate change - and becoming more so," he added.

"More people are now doubters than firm believers."

The Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs' (Defra) chief scientific adviser, Professor Bob Watson, called the findings "very disappointing".

"The fact that there has been a very significant drop in the number of people that believe that we humans are changing the Earth's climate is serious," he told BBC News.

"Action is urgently needed," Professor Watson warned.

"We need the public to understand that climate change is serious so they will change their habits and help us move towards a low carbon economy."

'Exaggerated risks'

Of the 75% of respondents who agreed that climate change was happening, one-in-three people felt that the potential consequences of living in a warming world had been exaggerated, up from one-in-five people in November.

The number of people who felt the risks of climate change had been understated dropped from 38% in November to 25% in the latest poll.

During the intervening period between the two polls, there was a series of high profile climate-related stories, some of which made grim reading for climate scientists and policymakers.

In November, the contents of emails stolen from a leading climate science unit led to accusations that a number of researchers had manipulated data.

And in January, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) admitted that it had made a mistake in asserting that Himalayan glaciers could disappear by 2035.

All of this happened against the backdrop of many parts of the northern hemisphere being gripped by a prolonged period of sub-zero temperatures.

However, 73% of the people who said that they were aware of the "science flaws" stories stated that the media coverage had not changed their views about the risks of climate change.

"People tend to make judgements over time based on a whole range of different sources," Mr Simmonds explained.

He added that it was very unusual for single events to have a dramatic impact on public opinion.

"Normally, people make their minds up over a longer period and are influenced by all the voices they hear, what they read and what people they know are talking about."


You may be interested to know (then again you might not be) that my opinion has shifted quite a bit over the last 5 years. I used to believe that global warming was almost entirely a natural occurrence and not man made. Now I am of the opinion that global warming is mostly mad made.

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Re: Climate Change

Postby coram_boy » Fri Feb 05, 2010 7:38:54 pm

It's very difficult to prove that it's largely man made. However, if we raise the temperature just a little, that the tundra started to melt, releasing huge stores of methane that would raise the temperature drastically, causing the crystallised underwater methane to do the same, causing catastrophic global damage and wiping out half of all species... Is that man made?
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Re: Climate Change

Postby Necrosis » Fri Feb 05, 2010 7:41:06 pm

>>global warming
>coldest january on record.

Now I've got that out the way, it's about a 50/50 split. In an environment completely devoid of humans (the best kind), this still happens. Cows and Termites are the main culprits here iirc, as far as CO2 production goes. This is a naturally occuring cycle.

However, the addition of modern human society into things is speeding things up, and potentially making the inevitable problems down the line worse for it.

There we go. We can close the topic now.
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Re: Climate Change

Postby Daniel Thorrold » Fri Feb 05, 2010 9:01:06 pm

I'm unconvinced that we have a large part in global warming.

I think this is more of a natural thing if anything.
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Re: Climate Change

Postby jack west jr » Fri Feb 05, 2010 9:54:55 pm

Its a myth.full stop.
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Re: Climate Change

Postby FatefulDestruction » Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:17:12 pm

Haha, global warming. That's funny.
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Re: Climate Change

Postby coram_boy » Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:17:55 pm

what is? you mean the thing about our atmosphere warming on average? Or in general? Or the fact that extreme weather conditions such as drought are reducing relative overall crop yield? Or that it isn't scientifically possible (yrt).
Climate change isn't a myth, though let's imagine for a sec it would be. What would the end result be if we invested so much into new technology and research to reduce pollution and increase innovation?

We'd be left with better technology than we had before.

Oh, the tragedy.
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Re: Climate Change

Postby ProudtobeBritish23 » Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:36:23 pm

My view is that Climate change is happening and it is, in part, man-made. However I do belive figures are being exagerated what with the University of East Anglia's climate research unit being found to have fixed figures and the claims about the melting Himalayas melting in 2035 when the man behind the figures then admitted that the year was 2350.
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Re: Climate Change

Postby coram_boy » Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:39:10 pm

Sadly I can't say that I fully trust them any more - cherry-picking data's really bad, it puts you on the same level as homeopathists :|
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Re: Climate Change

Postby hazz » Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:41:21 pm

I care less about Climate Change than about the looming energy crisis, but for what it's worth I think the Earth clearly is getting warmer, and that it's highly likely to be caused mostly by humans. Arguing about it doesn't really help anyone, because the majority of measures put in place to stop it will also help delay the energy crisis, which will happen whether man-man climate change is a myth or not.
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Re: Climate Change

Postby ProudtobeBritish23 » Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:53:32 pm

Yeah, I agree that the enrgy crisis is more of a problem. What surprises me is that we have barely invested any money in tidal power. Being an island it's a bit obvious we could really benefit from it.
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Re: Climate Change

Postby hazz » Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:58:38 pm

Except that it gets in the way of ships and stuff. My hope is that Culham will pull a fully functioning, economically viable JET out of their arse soon.
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Re: Climate Change

Postby John Forseti » Fri Feb 05, 2010 11:01:56 pm

hazz wrote:Except that it gets in the way of ships and stuff. My hope is that Culham will pull a fully functioning, economically viable JET out of their arse soon.


Thats probably not going to happen for atleast 50 years. :(


In the meantime though Nuclear power is emmisions free and we can get uranium from Canada rather than oil from Saudi Arabia and Russia. Only problem is sticking the non-useful radioactive stuff somewhere. If only we could built that space elevator I'd suggest taking it up to space and kicking it toward the sun.
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Re: Climate Change

Postby johnobrow » Fri Feb 05, 2010 11:12:08 pm

We could dump it in the sea like the good old days...

If global warming is a myth, then why has the lie spread? What's the vested interest here? Are we supposed to believe that this is all the work of nuclear power industry or something?

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Re: Climate Change

Postby John Forseti » Sat Feb 06, 2010 12:56:03 am

johnobrow wrote:We could dump it in the sea like the good old days...



Don't do that, I don't want nuclear fish. Theres nothing we can do that'd harm the sun though.
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Re: Climate Change

Postby eadie » Sat Feb 06, 2010 12:58:26 am

I can't be arsed to read anyone else's posts so:

Yes we are experiencing climate change. Yes, since the industrial revolution we have contributed to greenhouse gasses thus have increased global warming. However our global temperature records are so insignificant we can't make too much of a major conclusion. I spent three years at uni looking at geography crap, ice age records in particular. This planet has has numerous ice ages, then periods of extreme temperature. It generally works on peaks and troughs. At the moment it seems that the earth is on a natural temperature rise that will eventually hit its peak then drop sending us into another ice age. The influence of humanity has increased the gradient of the temperature increase, that is for certain, but ultimately based on ice core studies in particular the earth's temperature will drop even if it doesn't hit the levels in previous geologic eras.
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Re: Climate Change

Postby johnobrow » Sat Feb 06, 2010 1:21:10 am

My understanding is that this is an ice age. :P

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Re: Climate Change

Postby Avlana Kiarunto » Sat Feb 06, 2010 2:08:24 am

I was always spectical about whatever the mass media goes on and on about. I think it's a bit of both, but it is happening. It's not as if it's something unordinary for earth. Polar icecaps often don't exist if you look back at the history of earth. They keep coming and going. Haven't they just theorised that recent rises in temperature were caused by high concentrations of water vapour in the sky?
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Re: Climate Change

Postby The B » Sat Feb 06, 2010 12:10:08 pm

There have always been greenhouse gases in our atmosphere. These help keep the temperature just right.
But what we have seen since the industrial revolution is a massive, I mean massive surge in greenhouse gas emmisions.
This is obviously clogging up our atmosphere and heating the earth. The recent 'big freeze' in Britain was caused by warmer Arctic air pushing the cold air down towards us.
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Re: Climate Change

Postby Bob the terrorist » Sat Feb 06, 2010 1:38:54 pm

hazz wrote:I care less about Climate Change than about the looming energy crisis, but for what it's worth I think the Earth clearly is getting warmer, and that it's highly likely to be caused mostly by humans. Arguing about it doesn't really help anyone, because the majority of measures put in place to stop it will also help delay the energy crisis, which will happen whether man-man climate change is a myth or not.

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